This is gonna be a long post so bear with me.
If you open the notepad attachment I made for the RD you'll see I'm quite a bit over the general value of these bikes and although mine is in proper working order, it looks quite a bit like it couldn't be cosmetically. The bike was an extremely rough find. It has come a long way, but it's kinda always been a grungy road bike. The chrome is destroyed, it's bent up in more places than one, and it just doesn't really look like it's a happy machine. That's the best way I can describe it. I feel like it's incomplete because of its cosmetic appeal, but I'm so far over my initial investment potential that I'm not sure what to do? If I sell it I'm taking a bath in losses. But, the way it sits people just aren't interested in it.
An example was at the bike show this summer. A few folks thought it was cool, but most skipped right over it to look at full restorations and exquisite paint jobs. Well, they suck lol. I had the only 2 stroke in the whole show! :whatever: :whoop:
https://imgur.com/a/JFzoBmi
The point is I was really eye-balling two bikes, well 3 now haha. The new RE Interceptor which is around 7k OTD. A northern Michigan guy is selling an '83 RZ Kenny Roberts for $6500, or there's a 2018 Suzuki SV650 for $5500. My mechanic buddy has been around two strokes his whole life, be it banshee's, all kinds of sleds, etc. He told me I'd be "insane to buy a ticking time-bomb for $7k" when I asked him about the RZ. Fair point I suppose as the 2T motor really is a time-bomb by design. He recommended me trying an SV650 or the new Interceptor, and said don't buy old bikes anymore.
I'm on the fence, I like the bike and since it's not worth anything near what I already have in it, do I just go ham and have it painted and decaled, plus port work, etc? There's a local guy who wanted to buy it (for $2200 lol), but said he could paint it for me if I so desired. Bondo over the dents, etc and install/spray clear over the new decals back to the stock color for $500. Tank and side covers. :drool:
What to do? lol
:help:
Don't paint it if you want to sell it. It won't increase the value much if at all. $2200 is actually a good deal for you as is. I don't think I've ever seen s 250 sell for more than $2k locally. Nice ones don't get much more than $1500 based on what I've seen.
Different story if you like the bike and want to keep it but aren't happy with the bodywork. $500 isn't bad for the refinishing work. Keep in mind you'll have another $100 in decals.
What about other cosmetics? How do the wheels, fenders, frame, etc look? If those are rough too maybe just keep it a little ratty but clean. The ratty barn find but mechanically sound look has it's charms. :twocents:
I'm not gonna try to tell you what to do, but a well set-up RZ is far from a "ticking time bomb".
Hell, complete engine rebuild can be done for less than $1000 including the crank.
Once dialed in, water cooled 2T's are very reliable and can be ridden anywhere with confidence.
I'm with Jim, although I'm not sure I agree with the less than 1000.00 for a complete rebuild but they certainly aren't time bombs. Hell I wouldn't even consider my TZ motored bike a time bomb. If you like your RD paint it and make it into what you want.
Crank including bearings $400
Gaskets/seals $100
Bore/hone $200
Pistons $120
Random shit that I forgot about or blocked out of my memory $180
I am lucky to have Garrett nearby, so no shipping costs
Haha, sadly, after PWK's, reeds, porting, etc, etc, my current LC engine rebuild is at least twice that much.
imho, if it was mine, i'd make sure the engine was properly put together and it was reliable. then i'd ride the arse off her as often as i could. do what you want to do, if others don't like it then stick your middle digit up at them. it's your bike to do what you want with/to ;D you say yours was the only 2 stroke bike at the show? that tells me one thing, that 99% of the people there have got no taste. if you lay out on a 6 grand bike and throw it up the road you'll be mortified and have to spend thousands on it getting it back to spec. if you throw your ratty example up the road [apart from bodily injury], what's it matter? straighten the bent bits and ride it again. to me it's a no brainer. stick with what you've got and enjoy it ;D
cheers, gil.
If you are interested in a sv650 my advise would be too look around. I see them for way less than 5500 around here, in fact I just got a email from a local dealer selling the 2018s for $4200, at that price, you can keep the RD and have a modern bike as well.
Quote from: pdxjim on November 17, 2019, 04:19:44 PM
Crank including bearings $400
Gaskets/seals $100
Bore/hone $200
Pistons $120
Random shit that I forgot about or blocked out of my memory $180
I am lucky to have Garrett nearby, so no shipping costs
Haha, sadly, after PWK's, reeds, porting, etc, etc, my current LC engine rebuild is at least twice that much.
Damn, I hate it when I'm wrong, 🤔, but yes if you have to ship stuff back and forth and pay someone to do the disassembly and re-assembly, it can get pricey.
Your cost list is exactly why I did not do that. I have no desire to add up how much I spent on my bike and know it is not worth what I paid for it 4 years ago when it ran like crap.
I love it and ride it as much as posable and have no plans on trying to sell it.
Quote from: paul1478 on November 18, 2019, 07:43:14 AM
Your cost list is exactly why I did not do that. I have no desire to add up how much I spent on my bike and know it is not worth what I paid for it 4 years ago when it ran like crap.
I love it and ride it as much as posable and have no plans on trying to sell it.
I feel the same.
Just trying to point out that a reliable engine doesn't really need to cost a lot if you can do the majority of the labor yourself
skip the RE. Im actually on the RE owners group page and it just sounds horrid to own as a serious bike.
MY rz was very reliable, I never had to go into it for almost 7 years before i sold it. the sv is solid, but id aim for a 1st or 2nd gen. the 1st gens in really nice shape can be had for under 2k, and IMHO are better bikes . (except the FI vs the carbs but i like carbs).
:twocents:
Quote from: paul1478 on November 18, 2019, 07:43:14 AM
Your cost list is exactly why I did not do that. I have no desire to add up how much I spent on my bike and know it is not worth what I paid for it 4 years ago when it ran like crap.
I love it and ride it as much as posable and have no plans on trying to sell it.
The joy of spending time and $$ is priceless! :twocents:
(https://photos.imageevent.com/supertune/paulsrd400/large/20180929_111653.jpg)
Paul's first ride... :righteous:
https://imageevent.com/supertune/paulsrd400?p=282&n=1&m=-1&c=3&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3 (https://imageevent.com/supertune/paulsrd400?p=282&n=1&m=-1&c=3&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3)
https://imageevent.com/supertune/paulsrd400?p=283&n=1&m=-1&c=3&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3 (https://imageevent.com/supertune/paulsrd400?p=283&n=1&m=-1&c=3&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3)
Paul's first live view of his rebuilt RD was at Dime City Cycles shop when he came to Fl to pick up his RD400 STG 2!
(https://photos.imageevent.com/supertune/paulsrd400/large/20180929_082224.jpg)
Just need to get more time to repost a lot more 'How To's' and build highlights of all the RD's we did on the old forum...to help all of the younger generation 2smoke freaks like Nick in Ca as he's 18 years old and loves his RD400!
Chuck
Quote from: m in sc on November 18, 2019, 08:40:38 AM
skip the RE. Im actually on the RE owners group page and it just sounds horrid to own as a serious bike.
MY rz was very reliable, I never had to go into it for almost 7 years before i sold it. the sv is solid, but id aim for a 1st or 2nd gen. the 1st gens in really nice shape can be had for under 2k, and IMHO are better bikes . (except the FI vs the carbs but i like carbs).
:twocents:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2776047632621642/
This is the bike I'm looking at./ I hate ebay auctions and browse FB marketplace a lot. This popped up last week. It's stock-ish. Looks like the grab bar and rear turn signals are missing/ relocated to the license plate holder, but other than that it looks like a well put-together machine. I just don;t know enough about them to know what else has been switched around.
I do agree on the SV's. My brother rode a Yamaha YZF 600 and said the SV would be a bit on the slow side. Which, his bike wasn't exactly fast FWIW lol. I don't know much about newer bikes and just don't like the look of crotch rockets in general. I can't say I don't like how they ride as I've never owned one.
WOW Thanks for that video Chuck. That bike is making some power!!. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Quote from: Striker1423 on November 18, 2019, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: m in sc on November 18, 2019, 08:40:38 AM
skip the RE. Im actually on the RE owners group page and it just sounds horrid to own as a serious bike.
MY rz was very reliable, I never had to go into it for almost 7 years before i sold it. the sv is solid, but id aim for a 1st or 2nd gen. the 1st gens in really nice shape can be had for under 2k, and IMHO are better bikes . (except the FI vs the carbs but i like carbs).
:twocents:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2776047632621642/
This is the bike I'm looking at./ I hate ebay auctions and browse FB marketplace a lot. This popped up last week. It's stock-ish. Looks like the grab bar and rear turn signals are missing/ relocated to the license plate holder, but other than that it looks like a well put-together machine. I just don;t know enough about them to know what else has been switched around.
I do agree on the SV's. My brother rode a Yamaha YZF 600 and said the SV would be a bit on the slow side. Which, his bike wasn't exactly fast FWIW lol. I don't know much about newer bikes and just don't like the look of crotch rockets in general. I can't say I don't like how they ride as I've never owned one.
thats Dannys old bike (27 cycles). shoot him a PM, it was really good from what he said. I know he sold it a year or 2 ago, but thats definitely it. Id very seriosuly consider it. and yes, he got it with the yellow frame.
Quote from: m in sc on November 18, 2019, 08:40:38 AM
skip the RE. Im actually on the RE owners group page and it just sounds horrid to own as a serious bike.
MY rz was very reliable, I never had to go into it for almost 7 years before i sold it. the sv is solid, but id aim for a 1st or 2nd gen. the 1st gens in really nice shape can be had for under 2k, and IMHO are better bikes . (except the FI vs the carbs but i like carbs).
:twocents:
RZ is one of the most reliable and 'beatable' 2 stroke engines out there. They are cheap to rebuild when required and they handle a beating very well. You can run them low on gearbox oil and abuse the final drive and they won't complain. Parts are cheap thanks to Banshee guys. Me thinks your friend hasn't had enough exposure to RZ. There was an entire race series in Canada with many of the competitors being amazed their RZs kept on running with no money put into them WOT all day long on racetrack.
^ truth. they are stone cold reliable. make sure the cdi box is good and the power valve servo is in order, the rest is a piece of cake. hell even that stuffs easy. :twocents:
It's true.
Water cooling is a 100% game changer.
A well set-up RZ is damn near bulletproof, and cheap and easy to fix if something goes wrong.
Quote from: pdxjim on November 19, 2019, 01:33:05 PM
It's true.
Water cooling is a 100% game changer.
A well set-up RZ is damn near bulletproof, and cheap and easy to fix if something goes wrong.
Thats part of the problem. Because people thought they were so easy to work on any hack would get into them and then claim 2 strokes are unreliable when it blows up.
They are easy to fix if you know what you are doing.
A good example is a leak down test. most people dont even know what it is, or have the equipment to do it. But they will claim to have done countless rebuilds.
Quote from: Striker1423 on November 17, 2019, 03:07:09 PM
I'm on the fence, I like the bike and since it's not worth anything near what I already have in it, do I just go ham and have it painted and decaled, plus port work, etc? There's a local guy who wanted to buy it (for $2200 lol), but said he could paint it for me if I so desired. Bondo over the dents, etc and install/spray clear over the new decals back to the stock color for $500. Tank and side covers. :drool:
What to do? lol
:help:
Roughly two and half years ago I paid 3k for a 1975 RD250 that looked every bit of a barn find you describe yours as. I bought from my local Yamaha dealer on the promise that the bike ran great and was rejuvenated with a basic going over. Well the reality was that the bike would fire right up and it ran way too lean. Hell I knew very little about fuel/air mixture, reading plugs and I figured this out quick. So I threw another couple hundred bucks at the bike for all new rubber intake manifolds, gaskets, the Y boot and reeds just for the heck of it and a few other rubber bits like grips and those rubber plugs for where the silencers on the stock pipes have a bolt to hold them in place. So anyways after all that I managed to get the bike to run better in the other direction....to rich but it mostly ran better. After I stopped riding the bike for roughly five months I took her out and she ran way too rich wanting to pop and sneeze fouling plugs so I promptly parked her for the riding season as I had another bike anyways and I really only ride when I can find time away from work. So last winter I decided to just tear the engine apart replacing every gasket and seal. Well I ended up doing more, I figured since it was apart I would get that Vito's crank too. I also new she needed new chain and sprockets anyways. Since they don't make rings for the old pistons I wound up getting new pistons with rings. I also tore the carbs completely apart and got a cheap Harbor Freight ultrasonic cleaner plus those crappy Keyster rebuild kits...they're good for the needle jet and float bowl gaskets I guess...I tried replacing the stock points with new ones as well but for what ever reason the bike wouldn't keep proper timing so I sprung for that Vape ignition you got as well. Oh yeah I did rebuild my clutch with new fiber plates and a clutch cable. Well after spending roughly 2k on all that stuff, asking lots of questions here and else where she runs great. Oh yeah I also sprung for a set of DG pipes that have dents in the bottom of them because they hang to freaking low, my bad I guess as the suspension is really soft. They don't look nearly as nice as your pipes and cost just as much. I also got soaked another 2k by the dealer that I got it from as well as the state where I live for tires that I had them put on as well as every thing they claimed they did to bring it back from the dead and all the taxes, fees, bs. we all pay to title and register stuff. I am in to that bike for about 7k and it's still running as a 250 with it's stock jugs. So Striker I would say your ahead of the game, LOL. :toot:
It kinda hurts now when I look back on it as I've learned a lot from this forum but honestly I was soaked and mislead by the dealer I got the bike from. I willingly went with the deal because I enjoyed spending the money, the bike was local to me and I really enjoyed the whole process last winter into this past spring of taking the bike apart and discovering this forum and asking away. At that point the engine was back together and I simply needed a bit of guidance with the Vape ignition install and jetting issues. I would say the bike is not 100% but it runs dam good considering. Never fouls plugs and hits the powerband quite easily. It's a a fun bike and a great second bike for a back road blast. All I do when I take it for a ride now is check fluid levels, air pressure and take the plate off my Gixxer as I'm too cheap to insure two bikes, LOL. :whistle: ;D
I would say keep your bike and love it, enjoy it and get another bike as a second bike just to have it. Also I love that old patina with the few dents that tell a story and other guys do too. I get looks all the time when the bike moves and more so when it's parked.
Amen! We don't buy these bikes as an investment, well most of us don't. Think of it as an experience, you're a bit wiser and broker for it!
I would also like to add to my last post that I am 45 years old and have been riding bikes since I was 16. I see them as a passionate activity and I am only lucky enough to be able to enjoy them, I love them. I really love this bike as I had this bike in pieces and did all the things mostly right that I couldn't do when I was younger with other bikes. I am so proud to get this bike to a point of decent working order. To me that's about worth the money I got into it. Now the next time around I will make sure I get a better value for my dollar, LOL. Particularly when we're talking about two strokes.
I would actually love to own an H1 or H2 but they're big bucks and I guess I just don't know. I think maybe from a vintage two stroke perspective I would have to either trade mine for one plus some cash or just keep mine and modify the crap out of it and have more fun along the way! I'm sort of at odds with the vintage two stroke scene as I believe it's fun to have one and they can be made to scream but really I'm not so sure they're as fast as todays sport bikes and there is so many awesome contemporary bikes. Money I spend on a premo triple would get me a nice new KTM or some other bike bike like a BMW S1000xr. See my sport tourer thread, LOL. I think I am more interested in a new bike that will have me comfy in the saddle and swallow miles of interstates and give me adventures. To that end I would reemphasize to keep your RD as it's cool and fun for local rips. Plus it keeps you in the game so to speak and one day the market for our bikes may just sky rocket.
you can find h1s reasonable here and there, aim for 74-75. better ignition and they made a gazillion of them. check out the triple board.
Ive had a few h1, h2, and s series. they are ok but definitely overrated over all. (imho). very cool, can be made fast but i'm over them.
Quote from: m in sc on November 19, 2019, 04:49:33 PM
you can find h1s reasonable here and there, aim for 74-75. better ignition and they made a gazillion of them. check out the triple board.
Ive had a few h1, h2, and s series. they are ok but definitely overrated over all. (imho). very cool, can be made fast but i'm over them.
You know I am listening to your experience whole heartedly and taking it seriously. Plus fellas like you and Chuck as well as others are making me a believer in what these bikes we have are truly capable of. I'll have to check out that triple board. I think for me ultimately I wanna see the bike I buy in person, that's one reason why I got my RD even though it wasn't the best deal. I get gun shy with what I see online but you never know maybe I will get over that. There was this H2 for sale once about ten miles from where I live, it was a 74, my birth year and pristine. I recall the seller wanted 10k for it. I should've looked at but I don't know I just let it slip away, I think because I didn't like the original green color scheme of that year. Oh well maybe the right one will come along. However it's funny how we change on things as I really like the little RD250. It's really one of the most well balanced forgiving motorcycles I have ever ridden. I always feel like this bike is talking to me as I ride it.
i get it. btw, heres the link.
http://www.kawi2strokes.com/forum/
Also I just got this email from HVC Cycles, they sell parts and offer a lot of rebuilding services for RD's. From time to time they send me emails regarding any new products they offer for the vintage RD's as well as some Kawi triples. They also have a classified section to sell bikes. Well this email I got must've been regarding a customer's bike as their RD350 was for sale. They wanted a ton of money for it. I think the listed price was/is 9500$. Seems like they want every nickel and dime for it but best of luck and in a way I love the spirit of that. Why should any of us give our stuff away? We pay good money for it after all they don't make em like they used too. I really think these bikes are only original once and to keep as much of the original as possible whilst maintaining it's running condition just may be a pleasant surprise in years to come. You just never know.
Quote from: m in sc on November 19, 2019, 05:08:57 PM
i get it. btw, heres the link.
http://www.kawi2strokes.com/forum/
Very cool! Never been there, gonna check it out. :clap:
Quote from: RDryan on November 19, 2019, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: m in sc on November 19, 2019, 04:49:33 PM
you can find h1s reasonable here and there, aim for 74-75. better ignition and they made a gazillion of them. check out the triple board.
Ive had a few h1, h2, and s series. they are ok but definitely overrated over all. (imho). very cool, can be made fast but i'm over them.
You know I am listening to your experience whole heartedly and taking it seriously. Plus fellas like you and Chuck as well as others are making me a believer in what these bikes we have are truly capable of. I'll have to check out that triple board. I think for me ultimately I wanna see the bike I buy in person, that's one reason why I got my RD even though it wasn't the best deal. I get gun shy with what I see online but you never know maybe I will get over that. There was this H2 for sale once about ten miles from where I live, it was a 74, my birth year and pristine. I recall the seller wanted 10k for it. I should've looked at but I don't know I just let it slip away, I think because I didn't like the original green color scheme of that year. Oh well maybe the right one will come along. However it's funny how we change on things as I really like the little RD250. It's really one of the most well balanced forgiving motorcycles I have ever ridden. I always feel like this bike is talking to me as I ride it.
My bike was definitely talking to me in more ways than one when I almost crashed it this summer. The feel of this bike is just that... an experience. My brother, when he took it for a quick rip down the road, said it felt like a rattly old turd and that HE didn't like it. All this after telling me that it does indeed do wheelies.
I think he's jealous honestly. :)
Perks of having an older brother.
I am for sure interested in an RZ but I feel like that may betray the time and effort I put into this bike. I just dont have the funds or a spot for two bikes. So, maybe I need to step back and let this old RD grow on me another year. There's always RZ's popping up. But few folks know the history of like the one mentioned above.
Modern bikes don't need our love like these crappy old two strokes do.
Quote from: Striker1423 on November 19, 2019, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: RDryan on November 19, 2019, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: m in sc on November 19, 2019, 04:49:33 PM
you can find h1s reasonable here and there, aim for 74-75. better ignition and they made a gazillion of them. check out the triple board.
Ive had a few h1, h2, and s series. they are ok but definitely overrated over all. (imho). very cool, can be made fast but i'm over them.
You know I am listening to your experience whole heartedly and taking it seriously. Plus fellas like you and Chuck as well as others are making me a believer in what these bikes we have are truly capable of. I'll have to check out that triple board. I think for me ultimately I wanna see the bike I buy in person, that's one reason why I got my RD even though it wasn't the best deal. I get gun shy with what I see online but you never know maybe I will get over that. There was this H2 for sale once about ten miles from where I live, it was a 74, my birth year and pristine. I recall the seller wanted 10k for it. I should've looked at but I don't know I just let it slip away, I think because I didn't like the original green color scheme of that year. Oh well maybe the right one will come along. However it's funny how we change on things as I really like the little RD250. It's really one of the most well balanced forgiving motorcycles I have ever ridden. I always feel like this bike is talking to me as I ride it.
My bike was definitely talking to me in more ways than one when I almost crashed it this summer. The feel of this bike is just that... an experience. My brother, when he took it for a quick rip down the road, said it felt like a rattly old turd and that HE didn't like it. All this after telling me that it does indeed do wheelies.
I think he's jealous honestly. :)
Perks of having an older brother.
I am for sure interested in an RZ but I feel like that may betray the time and effort I put into this bike. I just dont have the funds or a spot for two bikes. So, maybe I need to step back and let this old RD grow on me another year. There's always RZ's popping up. But few folks know the history of like the one mentioned above.
Yeah I kinda figured finances maybe a factor but that was after I posted, LOL :whistle: Anyways these bikes have a soul and what a fun bike to work on and enjoy. You should keep her for a while longer and figure your bro's take on it with a grain of salt. It's your bike and to have it for a few more years would just be a wise investment in itself. Then your getting your money's worth absolutely. Also once the big stuff is out of the way I think these bikes are fairly economical to own. OTOH that RZ looks pretty sick....see I feel for you my man, these are passionate purchases. :righteous:
Fortunately I'm in a good place in my life to collect and even I resist the urge. It's the frugal in me. When I got my bike I was having several running issues with my Gixxer mostly from an accident where I got T-boned from some fella that didn't see me. So I thought the RD would be a nice intro into two strokes as well as a second bike. However it's an ongoing project. I love that it runs great but now that my other bike is fixed I look at the RD as a unfinished project. It's a hot rod.
What kinda riding do you picture yourself doing? That's what I've been asking myself lately and so I feel torn between what I want in a bike, like what it looks and sounds, rides like. Verses what I really want to get out of a bike, comfort, versatility of riding conditions, performance and storage....I don't really like what those bikes look like but I'm trying...
LOL, are you talking about the $6500 "yellow fever" Michigan RZ on FB marketplace?
Goddamn that thing is ugly.
Who the hell paints the engine yellow?!?
That's more like a $4500 bike.
I guess you never saw the say cheese RZ350.
LoL, say cheeze ;D and heck it ain't original so I second that 4500 offer. I mean it can't hurt but I bet that seller wouldn't budge. Hard Cheese :whistle:
You gotta disassemble the whole damn thing to get rid of the Cheeze Whiz yellow frame and cylinders
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That bike is chock full of uniqueness. What I first noticed odd was the seat. It looks like it was added on to.
Striker - Do what you want and what makes you happy buy the bike that you want not what your mechanic wants
Everyone Dies most people Never Live!
On that RZ, can't get past all the yellow including both the upper and lower triple trees! Somebody sure liked yellow. I agree, $4500 at max on the Uber yellow banana RZ.
I mean FWIW I own a goddamn purple snowmobile. So, a yellow bike might just round off the collection! :haw: :P
(https://scontent.fyip1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16825994_1545955455434468_1447592860872828558_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQnjukIz4MzhERbCsTpOY359g7TQs73nLGs1KSIUnsPesjHNMij_mXzqpObKImGl-cI&_nc_ht=scontent.fyip1-1.fna&oh=6dc8bb52669857bdf3acc898a2a59a61&oe=5E424590)
Looks like 2 sleds on that trailer. What's the weight limit on that teeny weeny axle... :eek:
Yea a 1998 Ski Doo Formula Z 670 and a 2001 Arctic Cat ZR 800. Trailers from like 96. Pretty solid I guess.
They don't make me like they used to applies to most everything, eh?
Quote from: Greaser Greg on November 20, 2019, 09:39:31 AM
They don't make me like they used to applies to most everything, eh?
Yes. My sled is cool, but it rides like a freight train compared to the new sleds. But the new sleds can go up to 20k in price. So old shit is what I can afford! :)
I will look thru my sticks to see if I saved pic of the say cheese bike, makes that one look restrained. Someone here bought it, they might not have made it to new forum yet.
Quote from: RDryan on November 19, 2019, 07:23:08 PM
That bike is chock full of uniqueness. What I first noticed odd was the seat. It looks like it was added on to.
Looks like it has push retainers in that flap, might be only thing holding seat on.