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Title: Prox piston measurements vs Wiseco
Post by: Alain2 on March 09, 2021, 06:21:04 AM
Does a new 64.75mm (2.549") Prox piston measures at exact size 2.549"? Or it is machined to account for piston-to-wall clearance?

I am measuring my used pistons at 2.5465". I'm am still working on my measuring technique so I may be of by +/-0.0005. Measured on a 90 degrees angle to the wrist pin and at 25% of the piston length from the bottom of the skirt.

My understanding is that Wiseco pistons are made to account for piston-to-wall clearance, i.e. piston measuring at 2.545"-2.546".

My cylinders bores are measuring at 2.5505-2.551",  0.0000" out of round, 0.0005" taper.

...for a total of 0.004-0.0045" piston-to-wall clearance.

Unfortunately I didn't measured new when I put it together few years ago, they were apparently machined for 0.0025" piston-to-wall clearance.

Engine was working ok, I'm just doing winter inspection and cleaning the carbon deposits on the pistons.
Title: Re: Prox piston measurements vs Wiseco
Post by: m in sc on March 09, 2021, 10:50:11 AM
all pistons are designed for x clearance depending on material and use.

that being said, wiseco and pro x are 2 completely different animals because of 1: material and 2: metric vs sae overbore scales.

ive always measuered overall at the bottom of the skirt, thats the widest part of the piston. 

Title: Re: Prox piston measurements vs Wiseco
Post by: Alain2 on March 09, 2021, 11:26:04 AM
Ok thanks. The measurement location I used is the one recommended by Prox on their website. I realized that Wiseco recommended the same location you are using, bottom of the skirt.
Title: Re: Prox piston measurements vs Wiseco
Post by: m in sc on March 09, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
for rough home measurement, i slip the piston in the bore and check with a feeler gauge at various points in the bore. seems to have served me well.
Title: Re: Prox piston measurements vs Wiseco
Post by: SoCal250 on March 09, 2021, 01:14:05 PM
Piston measurement is usually done near the bottom of the skirt as Mark said.
There's some great info here from our resident engine building expert, Dr. Supertune: Tip of the day series- Piston clearances (http://www.2strokeworld.net/forum/index.php?topic=1725.0)
Title: Re: Prox piston measurements vs Wiseco
Post by: Alain2 on March 09, 2021, 05:08:23 PM
I went and checked my Prox again and they measure the same at bottom than at 25% up.
Title: Re: Prox piston measurements vs Wiseco
Post by: tony27 on March 11, 2021, 03:15:44 AM
Most piston manufacturers make there pistons undersize by the clearance amount so the cylinders are bored to the nominal size, a piston marked as say 66.00 will be for a bore of exactly that size & will measure the required amount of clearance under that.
A friend bought a bike that had been bored as though the size marked on the piston was it's actual size, in his own words "it sounded like there were 2 of them trying to get out". Even thought the bore was round & parallel we had to order the next size up wossner piston & bore the cylinder to fit, runs like a dream now