Hello
Delighted to see the forum back :metal:
I like to understand , after setting TDC where I should look on the Dial gauge for 2mm BTDC ? Using Nick's ignition
thanks
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqardto3Kbs
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqardto3Kbs)
Quote from: 2t Fan on June 01, 2019, 04:29:39 AM
Hello
Delighted to see the forum back :metal:
I like to understand , after setting TDC where I should look on the Dial gauge for 2mm BTDC ? Using Nick's ignition
thanks
1.Find TDC, then turn the nut in the middle (12mm combination wrench or flat head) clockwise. You should go two full revolutions to get 2mm on your dial indicator.
2.Connect your test light or voltmeter that is set to diode, one to ground and the other to the pickup connection, now turn the nut until it starts to beep.
3.You now need to adjust the timing plate to make sure it the pickups spark at 2mm. You'll know when the indicator stops beeping. Test it by turning the nut counterclockwise and it should stop at 2mm.
*If not just make minor adjustments until it does. Once you set one side, the other should match it.*
4.Check your timing with a timing light.
make marks at 1.8mm btdc on the rotor, then time with a light. the timing will and can change with a magnetic triggered system. :twocents:
Quote from: m in sc on June 01, 2019, 09:00:54 AM
make marks at 1.8mm btdc on the rotor, then time with a light. the timing will and can change with a magnetic triggered system. :twocents:
why timing will change with a magnetic triggered system, what i should do then to fix it?
from static to dynamic? it can drift off. always dynamically time with a light. the ONLY accurate way a dial gauge is used to finalize a timing setting is with points or an optic beam (like a newtronics or piranha) in my experience. However, a timing gauge is needed to set or verify the timing mark.
btw, thats me in the vid posted. I need to do an updated one for an mzb, dyna, and hpi. :cheerleader:
Quote from: m in sc on June 02, 2019, 12:00:40 AM
from static to dynamic? it can drift off. always dynamically time with a light. the ONLY accurate way a dial gauge is used to finalize a timing setting is with points or an optic beam (like a newtronics or piranha) in my experience. However, a timing gauge is needed to set or verify the timing mark.
btw, thats me in the vid posted. I need to do an updated one for an mzb, dyna, and hpi. :cheerleader:
Gotta love that video!
I've only used that video a few dozen times.
Mark, I look forward to one on the Dyna setup. I tuned mine and was taking with Chuck about it how sensitive they were to the slightest nudging to set timing exact. I got it but dont have a timing light so 1.8btdc plus or minus .01 was as close as I could get.
Quote from: quocle603 on June 02, 2019, 12:22:46 AM
Quote from: m in sc on June 02, 2019, 12:00:40 AM
from static to dynamic? it can drift off. always dynamically time with a light. the ONLY accurate way a dial gauge is used to finalize a timing setting is with points or an optic beam (like a newtronics or piranha) in my experience. However, a timing gauge is needed to set or verify the timing mark.
btw, thats me in the vid posted. I need to do an updated one for an mzb, dyna, and hpi. :cheerleader:
Gotta love that video!
Long before I joined this forum I found that video and along with another video on how to make and use a buzzbox I got a handle on how to set timing. Great Videos. Despite that I still went with the Vape/MBZ ignition.
ok, so it seems i should see the spark at 78.7402 thousandth of a inch on the dial gauge :umm:
Quote from: 2t Fan on June 03, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
ok, so it seems i should see the spark at 78.7402 thousandth of a inch on the dial gauge :umm:
Yes, If you are setting it at 2.0 BTDC
Thank you
Quote from: Jspooner on June 03, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: 2t Fan on June 03, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
ok, so it seems i should see the spark at 78.7402 thousandth of a inch on the dial gauge :umm:
Yes, If you are setting it at 2.0 BTDC
2.00 mm BTDC is ideal for a stock motor?
Many people run 1.8mm BTDC for today's fuel quality.
yup. id go 1.8mm
Make sure you have a good set of points, I was running on a very bad set that would arch (even though I changed out the condensor) and my spark was really really poor. Got a dyna ignition (nick s) and it gave me a strong spark for what I was missing on my bike. They sell refresh kits, would highly suggest that if your points are old.
Marks video I have sent to over 100 people, Thank you Mark for that...
JY
Should you run resistor plugs with Nick's Dyna System?
Quote from: quocle603 on June 14, 2019, 09:40:07 PM
Should you run resistor plugs with Nick's Dyna System?
You can, just don't run resistor caps and resistor plugs, none, or one or the other, but never both unless you have electronic tach that's sensitive to RF.
Chuck
i run resistor NGK caps, non resistor plugs BP8HS or B8HS . next is to use Dyna 3.00 ohm coils to boost spark
Gotcha! Thanks for the info.
If you run non-resistor caps, it's easier to find plugs at auto parts stores in resistor type in stock, non-resistor plugs are usually a order in item.
Chuck
I double checked my coils set purchase from economy cycle and they are the resistor caps. I guess I will continue using non-resistor plugs. I could always go back to using the stock caps and run resistor plugs. :whistle:
NGK makes a non-resistor cap, but need plugs that you can take off the top cap to have pin threads.
A lot of resistor plugs come solid top.
NGK LZFH non-resistor spark plug cap
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NGK-LZFH-non-resistor-spark-plug-boot-cap-snowmobile-atv-/221734587947 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/NGK-LZFH-non-resistor-spark-plug-boot-cap-snowmobile-atv-/221734587947)
I use MSD wire crimp on terminals and boots. (Use for solid tops)
I buy in bulk so about $10 a set
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSD-Ignition-3311-Spark-Plug-Wire-Boots-Terminals-90-Degree/142407593430?epid=220379737&hash=item2128276dd6:g:xUMAAOSw5Xpb5LXs:sc:USPSFirstClass!33764!US!-1 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSD-Ignition-3311-Spark-Plug-Wire-Boots-Terminals-90-Degree/142407593430?epid=220379737&hash=item2128276dd6:g:xUMAAOSw5Xpb5LXs:sc:USPSFirstClass!33764!US!-1)
Chuck
stock caps have 5 ohm resistors in them (which -can- actually be bypassed). get new the ngk caps if you dont like the ones from economy, or keep using them. they are cheap for replacements as well. you can run autolite 4092 plugs (its a 9 series and dirt cheap at any parts store. (they have a screw off cap like any ngk 'h' series') or b8hs, usually also available at most parts store . 5510 is the automotive number there. :dance:
Resistor NGK LB05EP are the 5K ones if you want a stock replacement on the RD's.
Chuck
Quote from: m in sc on June 16, 2019, 11:16:11 PMstock caps have 5 ohm resistors in them (which -can- actually be bypassed). get new the ngk caps if you dont like the ones from economy, or keep using them. they are cheap for replacements as well. you can run autolite 4092 plugs (its a 9 series and dirt cheap at any parts store. (they have a screw off cap like any ngk 'h' series') or b8hs, usually also available at most parts store . 5510 is the automotive number there. :dance:
You mentioned timing with the timing light for a neutronic style ignition, that's what I have is the old school style one and I'm having trouble getting this thing timed because I don't have the light built into the box like the new ones that have. I believe I saw you posting on another thread as well about timing with the timing light. Can I input the degrees that you have on there from the chart that you posted into a timing gun and go off of that?
yes. degrees are degrees. if you time an OLD newtronics, do it in a dark environment and shield the pickups as they are light sensors. the timing light will throw off the sensors of they see the light from it. Im being dead serious.
Quote from: m in sc on July 20, 2025, 11:00:24 AMyes. degrees are degrees. if you time an OLD newtronics, do it in a dark environment and shield the pickups as they are light sensors. the timing light will throw off the sensors of they see the light from it. Im being dead serious.
I have a garage I can make relatively dark so that works, I think it said 18.88° from your previous post so just set the timing light at that and shield those sensors? I probably need to use a dial indicator and make a new mark on the rotor right? Any recommendation to shield the old neutronic pick up? I was thinking about putting a soda cap over it or something like that.
i used to use an unfolded spark plug pox