Find me the cheapest price on two (2) genuine Made in Japan Keihin PWK28 carbs!
I dare you!
If you win, and I order from your link, I'll send you something cool in the mail. 🤙🤙🤙
:pop:
Your choice, vintage SpecII or vintage Moto Carrera sticker!
(https://i.ibb.co/T1BzkQQ/D843-C5-AF-0-C9-F-4748-B257-80-A7-ACA73-B13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KDjCXtt)
https://www.partzilla.com/product/kawasaki/15003-1617
152.75 ea.
still too damn high
Quote from: m in sc on June 10, 2019, 12:01:04 AM
https://www.partzilla.com/product/kawasaki/15003-1617
152.75 ea.
still too damn high
You are in the lead! That's cheaper than the $187 I found on ebay.
Oooooooo, I want that old Spec II sticker!
Ugh, looks like list price for the Kawasaki part # is $210 :eek:
I win.
https://www.treatland.tv/polini-PWK-28mm-carburetor-p/polini-pwk-201.0168.htm
Always order from treatland. It will be there in under a day for you too, since you're in the west coast. Check out their other stuff. The cheapest for jets around too!
^ thats a copy. not saying a bad one, but still is.
Quote from: quocle603 on June 10, 2019, 07:04:26 AM
I win.
https://www.treatland.tv/polini-PWK-28mm-carburetor-p/polini-pwk-201.0168.htm
Always order from treatland. It will be there in under a day for you too, since you're in the west coast. Check out their other stuff. The cheapest for jets around too!
Hmmm .... no.
As stated, I'm looking for genuine Keihin.
I'm sure, as copies go, the Polinis are very good. And I'm sure the local scooter boys at scooterswapshop.com have good things to say about them. In fact, I might just pop over there and ask their opinion. They have them in stock for cheaper than Treats and are less than a mile from my house. At least I know they will have all the brass I need, whichever carbs I go with.
https://scooterswapshop.com/products/polini-carburetor (https://scooterswapshop.com/products/polini-carburetor)
The Polinis get mixed reviews over on the UK LC forum, with many tales of woe regarding fortunes spent replacing brass and "oh, why didn't I just buy proper Keihins" and the like.
For only $70 more per pair, I'd probably opt for proper Keihins and know I had the real deal.
Keep trying :cheerleader:
Carb parts warehouse was about the cheapest when I looked a year ago. They also told me they would change needles and jets to your choice and included a few extra jets with them.
Take the jets/needles into the price factor when shopping.
pretty sure cpw is out of business :(
Quote from: m in sc on June 10, 2019, 01:18:40 PM
pretty sure cpw is out of business :(
Bad reviews and dead website.
i used to use them never had an issue. just fyi, not that it matters now.
Quote from: m in sc on June 10, 2019, 01:18:40 PM
pretty sure cpw is out of business :(
Well I guess that isn't the place to order them from then. ;D. Like I said that was probably a year ago that I had emailed them. I would have got them from there but I ended up with a set of used ones before I did.
Quote from: m in sc on June 10, 2019, 07:08:13 AM
^ thats a copy. not saying a bad one, but still is.
Oh...I always thought PWK carbs were polini carbs and OKO were copies of polini carbs. So you're telling me, an OKO is a copy, of a copy, of a copy?!
Quote from: quocle603 on June 10, 2019, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: m in sc on June 10, 2019, 07:08:13 AM
^ thats a copy. not saying a bad one, but still is.
Oh...I always thought PWK carbs were polini carbs and OKO were copies of polini carbs. So you're telling me, an OKO is a copy, of a copy, of a copy?!
Keihin PWK came first. The rest are all copies of varying lineage. The Polinis are likely an "officially licensed product" as (maybe) are the OKOs.
The rest are all bootleg rip-offs.
pwk, oko licensed copy, then koso and polini. :twocents:
I've read good things about the OKOs, not the Chinese POS clones but the authentic ones with the hex jets. I would upgrade to those flatslide if I was building a modified bike.
Are the TM Mikunis being copied also?
If so, how can you tell?
Thank you.
Quote from: ~JM~ on June 11, 2019, 12:17:30 AM
Are the TM Mikunis being copied also?
Probably so. Just about everything has an illegit copy being make in China.
Sudco info on fake carbs. Doens't cover Mik TMs, but discusses PWKs
http://www.sudco.com/genuine_vs_fake_carburetors.html (http://www.sudco.com/genuine_vs_fake_carburetors.html)
Great info, thanks Russ!
... FWIW, the resident guru LC tuner on Norbo's UK forum says "Polini are good, those variants work fine, just avoid the cheap chinese copies"
Quote from: ~JM~ on June 11, 2019, 12:17:30 AM
Are the TM Mikunis being copied also?
If so, how can you tell?
Thank you.
Yes there are fake TM's on e-bay. The ads usually start with "carburetor for.."
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Carburetor-For-Mikuni-TM34-TM-34mm-34-mm-Flat-Slide-Smoothbore-Carb-TM34-2/312322395954?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item48b7dd8f32:g:cUgAAOSw~atb7lpl&enc=AQADAAAB4KX%2FKt4E1xf3SDqEdBclaYaoFnTU8zaHXd4lgMaJcuaUFc5%2F4jxl445d6gR%2F85XfEOK1DshnFoJ%2BNLvdRVDsqpvRJbtyC8X2IO4tRVCJTlCE3rDa3hKKxDq35JA%2FP%2FjimKYFMBgrl23C4ZKocaLTPbgmO1ZnbQnnyLcf35ijZH8UKYLlifdY0Pzu78%2B6Z2cGL9HF2OzPwAFD6iF1m30g7A0uBw1E3qZ%2B3qcCDdtZ8nqx0oIQs1aVxznaXPAgUL4ZIIet12iMGXMoRohb7O5zt1opL%2Bob8LuQu2EXU84SSIiADxj9PLXjU8SuyYctFLPhEPaZHd226HJPIPd8yuFYQM0EmdrVL6K6FdRUwX4r6%2B85Ih0zMJSTdh6%2BwDZQbk1JDYKg7%2BAqb%2FUYQPGP3lvT2aK5x9jSd%2FOgXxcgmSsF3Mh3IND5SPFnzF2xCd4xWPB9HEVlilo8ssshKgVGcNdv8nR8fS%2FQmMJjihDamhvgQXJMb60V9loyS4JbdPXQyqpOqq2dTYdIsjmP%2B4%2BIWPvlh7oJ7u1HItL17bOozvcpJZ3o7DmyxPiVi3owzGAt8R3FxckgDX0ReD21qGSHpyndi125edSehWVxSrtzlQRzHWwzWoz0xYPGyhjeFWBizUatoQ%3D%3D&checksum=312322395954d4b8eebc508c4f4285e3ff6c253ea4b9
The legit TM28's are pretty reasonably priced: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Real-Mikuni-28mm-TM28-Flat-Slide-Performance-Carburetor-Carb-VM28-418/151755574456?epid=171186446&hash=item2355564cb8:g:B6AAAOSwVYhcFhYK
Don't know why you didn't see these on eBay, may be you looked for PWK28s without knowing most of the 80/85s are fitted with them standard
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-2013-Kawasaki-KX100-MX-Complete-Carburteor-Assembly-15003-1643-OEM/252679553156?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Quote from: tony27 on June 11, 2019, 04:33:27 AM
Don't know why you didn't see these on eBay, may be you looked for PWK28s without knowing most of the 80/85s are fitted with them standard
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-2013-Kawasaki-KX100-MX-Complete-Carburteor-Assembly-15003-1643-OEM/252679553156?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
We Might have a winner with Tony!!
Chuck
i did look up the stock kx part number of you look at my post link. however, that is the cheapest i've seen recently for sure. :clap: :patriot:
Yep :clap: :clap:
Quote from: Hawaii-Mike on June 11, 2019, 02:21:05 AM
Quote from: ~JM~ on June 11, 2019, 12:17:30 AM
Are the TM Mikunis being copied also?
If so, how can you tell?
Thank you.
Yes there are fake TM's on e-bay. The ads usually start with "carburetor for.."
I was looking at these a while back: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GV2D7G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Quote from: tony27 on June 11, 2019, 04:33:27 AM
Don't know why you didn't see these on eBay, may be you looked for PWK28s without knowing most of the 80/85s are fitted with them standard
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-2013-Kawasaki-KX100-MX-Complete-Carburteor-Assembly-15003-1643-OEM/252679553156?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
OK! We are getting close to a winner here!
Weird thing is, the KX100 carb, part # 15003-1643 is available all day for $135ish on ebay, Amazon, Partzilla (slightly less at $132.48), etc.
The KX85 carb, part # 15003-1617 is hard to find for under $160ish.
I suspect they are the same, with slightly different jetting or something?
Anyone care to shed some light before I pull the trigger on the KX100 carbs?
I think I may have won my own contest. :whoop:
https://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/detail/kawasaki/15003-1643/b778173
i think you'll learn the needles are different and jetting changes. i think Nick found that out, so calculate in the need for new needles as well. for example, the 'jjh' needles are pretty much the gold standard for rzs/banshees/rds but i -think- those come with 'nap-f' needles or ? something different.
:twocents:
Quote from: m in sc on June 11, 2019, 12:16:31 PM
i think you'll learn the needles are different and jetting changes. i think Nick found that out, so calculate in the need for new needles as well. for example, the 'jjh' needles are pretty much the gold standard for rzs/banshees/rds but i -think- those come with 'nap-f' needles or ? something different.
:twocents:
Hmmm. Thanks for that Mark.
Do the KX85 carbs come with the correct JJH needles and close jetting?
Still seems a bargain even with the added expense.
not sure to be honest.
I bought a set of JJH needles at the local moped shop for $12.
Quote from: Hawaii-Mike on June 11, 2019, 12:40:20 PM
I bought a set of JJH needles at the local moped shop for $12.
Yeah! The scooter shop down the street from me has tons of Keihin and Polini jets/needles.
Genuine Keihin PWK28 KX100 carbs ordered from Bikebandit.com!
Thanks for playing, everyone.
Extra special thanks goes all the way out to tony27 in New Zealand for cracking the KX100 vs. KX85 code.
A little late but do the kx85 and kx100 have the same slides in them?
that i know, they do.
well done jim. :toot:
I don't get it. why pwk kx and not banshee. I only see one part number but don't you need a left and a right to choke? also makes adjustment more difficult because on one carb the adjustment screws will be pointing the wrong way.
..banshees never came with pwks. and they arent hard to tune with 2 one sided carbs. also, you can drill and tap the body to accept the slide screw on the other side, ive done it. :twocents:
Quote from: bracket maker on June 12, 2019, 09:30:10 AM
I don't get it. why pwk kx and not banshee. I only see one part number but don't you need a left and a right to choke? also makes adjustment more difficult because on one carb the adjustment screws will be pointing the wrong way.
Banshees use early 70's tech VM series carbs.
PWK is a much more modern design.
Quote from: m in sc on June 12, 2019, 10:23:14 AM
..banshees never came with pwks. and they arent hard to tune with 2 one sided carbs. also, you can drill and tap the body to accept the slide screw on the other side, ive done it. :twocents:
its not hard to adjust you just need to carry a screwdriver to adjust the idle. pita. so much easier with finger screws. hate this on my honda. I used a cable choke. would not do this again because I had to run cables. jim has to rig something so he can reach the choke on the wrong side.
genuine banshee vm 28mm's come in pairs drilled, tapped and hosed. screws pointing in the right direction. early '80's tech. they have an improved needle.
I'm a looser anyway. did the search keyword kx100 carburetor came back kx80/85/100 bootleg pwk's are $20, $38.80 for 2. I would have gone this route If I needed only one. for 2 I want a right and a left.
I agree tossing the original r5 vm28ss's unless you tap the main and move it out of the bowl. needle valve changes easy. '60 tech blows. nice when '80's needle fits the stock seat.
banshees had VM26's actually.
the knockoffs are huge risk, ask how i know. body not drilled right, needles of unknown taper, air jet orifice drilled tot he wrong sizes... been there, done it.
5 minutes with a drill and an m5 tap and you have a thumb screw on both sides of the pwk. cap the old hole with a short m5 screw and done. you just reach in and pull the choke up. I do this with the pj34s. whats the issue? none.
Ummmm ... no (bracket maker).
PWK has thumb screws for the idle adjustment. No screwdriver needed. Plus, I just set them up at home using the Uni-syn or whatever. Once setup, just use the adjuster at the throttle to speed up the idle if needed. Also, if your sh!t is correct, once every thing is dialed in you only need to choke one side to start the bike.
The bootleg PWKs are crap.
You never get a right and left with aftermarket carbs off the shelf. Most are easy to modify though (if you really think its necessary), or get carbs off a modern 2T twin. KR1s, 1KT, etc were a good choice BITD, but crazy expensive and worn out by now.
I think Tony deserves a sticker, just my :twocents:
Quote from: pdxjim on June 12, 2019, 11:33:44 AM
Ummmm ... no (bracket maker).
The bootleg PWKs are crap.
You never get a right and left with aftermarket carbs off the shelf. Most are easy to modify though
that's why I'm a looser. I expect to rebuild from day one.
Quote from: m in sc on June 12, 2019, 11:24:50 AM
banshees had VM26's actually.
the knockoffs are huge risk,
5 minutes with a drill and an m5 tap and you have a thumb screw on both sides of the pwk. cap the old hole with a short m5 screw and done. you just reach in and pull the choke up. I do this with the pj34s. whats the issue? none.
I have 5 minutes. never thought to drill and tap the backwards carb. never read this on any forum. thanks will definitely do.
Quote from: Djg8493 on June 12, 2019, 01:02:54 PM
I think Tony deserves a sticker, just my :twocents:
Of course he does.
Tony cracked the part number code and saved me like $70 🤙
Quote from: pdxjim on June 12, 2019, 11:33:44 AM
Ummmm ... no (bracket maker).
The bootleg PWKs are crap.
You never get a right and left with aftermarket carbs off the shelf. Most are easy to modify though
that's why I'm a looser. I expect to rebuild from day one.
Quote from: m in sc on June 12, 2019, 11:24:50 AM
banshees had VM26's actually.
the knockoffs are huge risk,
5 minutes with a drill and an m5 tap and you have a thumb screw on both sides of the pwk. cap the old hole with a short m5 screw and done. you just reach in and pull the choke up. I do this with the pj34s. whats the issue? none.
I have 5 minutes. never thought to drill and tap the backwards carb. never read this on any forum. thanks will definitely do.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Zq2MKTV4/IMG-20190612-142452-1.jpg)
laugh all you want but it works really well for $27 both carbs. they are pz30 4t hero honda bootleg gy200. that stupid choke works well, this bike needs 1/2 choke when cold. way better than dealing with stock cv diaphragm carbs.
mark, they actually have a casting for the idle screw blocked off on the left side. easy peasy. I own the deluxe harbor freight metric tap set.
Only one "O". :haw:
you have to make sure the slide is tapered on both sides for it on round slides. my guess is no. its a yes on the pwks though, even the knockoffs.
lets be honest. honda twins are NOT super sensitive to jetting. ive owned my share, they are ok being 'close', so glad it works for you.
One proven tip though regarding PWK knockoffs. the useable ones, the good ones, come with hex main jets. the ones with the round min jets are useless.
so, if paraousing the ebays , look at the pics, some will show the bag of spare jets, if theres hex mains in there, you are probably ok. you can fit jjh or jjj needles, and use keihin main jets and be ok. :twocents:
Quote from: pdxjim on June 12, 2019, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: Djg8493 on June 12, 2019, 01:02:54 PM
I think Tony deserves a sticker, just my :twocents:
Of course he does.
Tony cracked the part number code and saved me like $70 🤙
Yea, me too I think I am going for a set as well. I guess I owe him a sticker too :clap:
Quote from: ~JM~ on June 12, 2019, 03:22:33 PM
Only one "O". :haw:
That's right you are not a looser.
Quote from: pdxjim on June 11, 2019, 11:57:07 AM
I think I may have won my own contest. :whoop:
https://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/detail/kawasaki/15003-1643/b778173
I clicked the link and don't see the price. What was your cost for a set of PWK's?
YOU HAVE TO SIGN IN TO SEE IT
Quote from: Hawaii-Mike on June 12, 2019, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: pdxjim on June 11, 2019, 11:57:07 AM
I think I may have won my own contest. :whoop:
https://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/detail/kawasaki/15003-1643/b778173
I clicked the link and don't see the price. What was your cost for a set of PWK's?
$239 with free shipping
The local moped shop sells genuine PWK for $240.
Quote from: Hawaii-Mike on June 12, 2019, 09:49:53 PM
The local moped shop sells genuine PWK for $240.
Each?!?
Quote from: pdxjim on June 12, 2019, 06:17:21 PMhttps://youtu.be/XiltQYlNot0
Nah... More like: https://youtu.be/OzundJyMw60
looser as in no sticker from jim
mark, slides are not reversible. been pissed all season about the left idle screw being impossible to reach with out a long screwdriver.
jim, if you can't get your hands on the idle screw its no big deal. should have thought about this before but this is what these forums are all about.
left honda, right ninja
(https://i.postimg.cc/zGWJv7R4/IMG-20190613-085345-1.jpg)
clever solution, but again.. but in reality, not that big of a deal. every model kaw triple (sans the h1) and suzuki triple (except the later gt750 with the cv carbs) have 2 carbs with an 'inboard' throttle stop screw. why are you adjusting the idle screw so much? Hell, you think that's bad, the aprilia rs250 i just worked on, on the left carb, has a nut and a screw from the factory, no knob, and the overall idle adjustment is set from the right carb alone with one of those type adjusters you have pictured. :drool:
I'm anal about idle. want it as slow as possible. the right side I can do without looking. left side have to stop and use a screwdriver.
Still winning!
$106 at Partzilla!
https://www.partzilla.com/product/kawasaki/15003-1643