Now, im not a fan of daytonas, at all, but ffs look at what they did to this one.
Yes, it started as a 79. yes, it was complete, and fairly decent.
Yes, i know the owner AND it was built by a 'pro shop' local. motor internals are stock. Yes, when i found out the front end was getting swappe dout to a drum I tried talking them out of it. I also know there's over 12k spent on this.
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ffs.
That red Honda looks very attractive.
Bikes like that help keep the price of clean original's continue to rise just that much more, as it is one less original available.
Like the bikes getting parted out (basically in Japan) that are rare to start with, only get more rare with each bike getting stripped to bits and then stored on shelves throughout the world.
there wer e lot of nice bikes at that show, for sure. I'll post them up later.
:eek: [smack_forehead]
Not my cup of tea, but build what floats yer boat
and have it reduce performance on the brakes? no. fuck no. dude saw a paycheck and the owner of the bike drank all his kool-aid.
Do we know what condition it started in? Both of my RDs started as nothing more than bins of random parts, with the second being a frame I got from one guy and the engine coming from parts from the first one.
it was a 100% complete bike in decent shape. original paint, etc.
few years ago i had a bunch of daytona stuff for sale, which i got from the owner of THAT bike, so i know 1st hand, it was def not a bike that should have been cut up IMHO. I have my specials that basically started as bins of parts, I get it.
looks like a bastardized version of the Street tracker idea Moto Carrera used to make.
sort of. i never liked the del-mar either but at least it was tastefully done... but this takes it to a new level.
loong story short, bike shop owner fancied himself as a 'richard rawlings' type, about half way into this, he lost the wrench he was underpaying, and finished it himself and the owner of the bike has deep pockets, so he dug way in deep. I know, for a fact, the front end alone was over 2k. :busey:
You're right, Mark. That's gross.
heres an article on it. (full disclosure to form your own opinion). its sort of misleading as the bike was mostly together and complete.
https://www.bikebound.com/2023/03/26/bbrd/
Quote from: m in sc on April 30, 2024, 10:23:58 AMI know, for a fact, the front end alone was over 2k. :busey:
Looks like a 4LS drum, they are not cheap....the carbon fender doesn't go with it as well as an aluminum one would.....or the primer for paint...or the....hopefully it has a rear drum to match, if it's a disc, that's definitely wrong.
Edit...I guess it is a drum...now that I see more pics..
I'd like those brakes on my TM/TS400 project
Quote from: m in sc on April 30, 2024, 03:07:31 PMheres an article on it. (full disclosure to form your own opinion). its sort of misleading as the bike was mostly together and complete.
https://www.bikebound.com/2023/03/26/bbrd/
The title of the article says it's "rolling art" though.
to quote Tommy boy:
" I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it."
Quote from: m in sc on April 30, 2024, 07:47:35 AMit was a 100% complete bike in decent shape. original paint, etc.
few years ago i had a bunch of daytona stuff for sale, which i got from the owner of THAT bike, so i know 1st hand, it was def not a bike that should have been cut up IMHO. I have my specials that basically started as bins of parts, I get it.
Yeah, that does make it a bit of a shame. I'm in my 50s now and I have come to appreciate survivors much more now than I did in my teens and twenties. I was the teen getting bitched at by my old man for stripping down an all original mint 1961 VW Beetle to drag race it. I hesitate to criticize anyone for doing what I have done myself. It's like music- we all have our own tastes. That being said, I am increasingly frustrated as my tastes have shifted and now I want something like an OG Daytona, for a price I can afford, that doesn't look drug up from the bottom of the Savannah river.
I like it.
That Robinson 4LS brake has to have cost 3 grand plus another grand or more for the replica Ceriani forks just to get started. That brake should be as good as any period disk and looks better than a disk, but it is really a decade too old.
Some really expensive parts plus a 100 dollar gas tank from China which seems a little out of place on a high dollar build, but maybe that's just me. I used one on a Cb160 build and it was well made but a bit out of place I thought.
The pictures show it as a pile of rusty parts so not sure where the complete 79 went or the pictures don't tell the story - who knows.
That seat to frame gap at the rear is not nicely finished at all, but overall, that was a lot of work by someone and the final bill comes as no surprise.
I like it as well, except for the front end. To me that looks out of place. Still a nice build though.
there were parts and the complete bike. I did get 2 sets of wheels from him, beautiful set of side covers, seat, tail section, etc. IMHO it s a 'parts tart', doesn't visually flow and lots of 'race' parts on a stock motor. the number plate/twin headlight things needs to be thrown in a trash compactor.
the front end IS sweet,.. if it were on a 73 and back bike, for sure. I mean, taste is objective, of course. and i also have a cheap steel tank on my lightweight, but it's not a show bike and the only safe lighter option would have been aluminum. So, i get using a 'cheap' tank, but ffs.
i can't tell what it is.
labels we used to use would be Frankenbike or a "bitsa" with bits of this and bits of that glommed together in a project.
Quote from: m in sc on May 01, 2024, 09:57:18 AMthe number plate/twin headlight things needs to be thrown in a trash compactor.
^^ this ^^
That 250mm Fontana DTLS (repro or original) is a He!! of a brake with great feel, and is 'stoppy' ready, so not all for looks. A little more un-sprung weight than a disk but not much; they are magnesium. I dissent; I like it - not so much for the lines, but for the time and effort spent making that bike just the way HE wanted it, and make it all play together!
I ought to have many of you turning in your M/C graveyards with what I'm planning on - I'm swapping that very stock '84 NS250R I painted for a '73 RD350 instead of a cash sale (I really wanted an R5 - they're faster), but any RD with a drum rear would have sufficed. The bike will be getting this front brake, and shouldered a matching rim for the rear.
(https://i.imgur.com/0sOlU90.jpg)
The wheel stuff is already here (Avon RR tires too), and I figure I should have it ready to ride in a month. Iconic Motorbike Auctions is running a special in May (no listing fee), so hopefully I can re-open the stall for the next project ... they have a way of finding my house.
I've always had the philosophy that if you are going for a concourse restoration, make it parts-book correct right down to the tire air, but if building a custom/art/concept bike, do it exactly the way YoU want it. Please yourself first and last - it is your bike!
Warren
i have a hard time believing that wheel/brake is as light as an rd disc hub with a fzr or similar rotor and an aluminum caliper & hoop. It might be, im not sure.
dont get me wrong, its cool as fuck, id love to have it on my T500, but thats a drum brake bike that could use a better drum.
I am pretty sure that the Robinson 4LS brake on this tracker is a replica one. They cost around 1300 Dollar in Europe.
I agree with Mark, the brake doesn't make the bike neater and I am not sure if it help to perform also. I have such a brake lying around but not on a bike so far.
Regards Uwe
I agree with Warren, the guy built (or had built) what he wanted and he obviously likes it and probably doesn't give much of fuck what we think. I actually like it from the triple clamps back. IMO that front end does not belong on it. It looks out of place to me and also looks too heavy for a street tracker. It would be cool as shit on a TR replica or 73/74 TZ replica. FWIW, it wouldn't take much to make that bike look like a vintage road racer and then that front end would look right at home. If I was going for more of an original look on my TZ replica when I built it I would have held out for a matching set of drums for it, but I decided to give it an updated look.
thats not really how it went down, but ok. he was told/sold how to have it done and just went along w it. Like said, i know both of them.
Taste is subjective, but but the fact that Joe's bike, Mark's LC and Lightweight are all way cooler than this Daytona is empirical data.
Butt fugly.
Especially that ridiculous headlight thing.
The 260mm DTLS was Yamaha's answer (at the time) to the TD2/TD3/TZ250 performance; what they had on production racers back in the late was OK for the TD1 series, but inadequate for the improved handling and speed of the 1970ish racers.
Yamaha had been playing with disk brakes back in the early 1960's, but they were inadequate. I had 2 sets of TD1 forks that were modified by Yamaha for Tony Murphy (I think the caliper was mechanical, the fork legs are all I had), and saw several photos of these early attempts on the track, but they needed something that worked on the newer racers, so they made the 260/DTLS.
No thanks to Japanese manufacturing, the OEM 260 brakes were prone to fade, spongy feel, and a lot of lever pressure due to very poor domestic shoe material back then. They were undoubtably superior to the TD1 DLS, but disk brake development and evolving technology prompted the move to putting disks on their race bikes by the mid 1970's.
Turn the clock up 30 years into the reproduction era, and with modern manufacturing techniques and vastly superior brake shoe compounds, the 260/DTLS works great! Yamaha had a sound design since reproductions match the original inside and out, and the 260 works great on the track - better than the Suzuki GT750 drum that ends up on many drum-brake class racers because of availability and being more affordable.
The brake I have is a 'Pender' Mfg. from the Philippines - Pender was the first and IMO the best, and he made and sold hundreds of these brakes over the 10 or so years he made them. The first one I bought worked so well on the track that I bought a 2nd knowing eventually it would go on another of my bikes. I don't race anymore, so a street bike it is!
Here is the Pender on a WERA raced TD3 - it worked great:
(https://i.imgur.com/X86JZJD.jpg)
I swear by them, not at them!
Warren
Same genuine Yamaha brake on a TZ250A that I restored a few years back.(https://pinkpossum.com/TZ250A/images/p8170100.jpg)
Ruined a rare bike