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Title: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 20, 2019, 01:09:14 PM
Experts ,

Helping a friend here who bought these cylinders long back as rd250 ones but I doubt ..

Can any body look at these and recollect what model n make these are ?
Pistons are stamped 36102 inside

Cheers
Pravin
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 20, 2019, 01:09:59 PM
Few more
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: m in sc on August 20, 2019, 01:12:31 PM
euro model rd250 jugs, coffin tank bike.
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 20, 2019, 01:29:13 PM
Thanks SC .. SO the heads are also different as when I tried to put us model heads they look smaller
So the euro model heads also he needs to get right ?

Cheers
Pravin
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 20, 2019, 01:30:28 PM
He mentioned buying from some German guy so thats kind of confirms ..
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: m in sc on August 20, 2019, 01:47:43 PM
from what i understand, yes.
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: EE on August 20, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
Yep Euro 76-77 (Not 78-79 2R8's)  http://erlenbachracing.co/RD250.htm
And Yes you need the heads to match. Nice cylinders. Ed
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 21, 2019, 03:10:01 AM
Thanks Ed !!
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Yamaha 179 on August 21, 2019, 08:51:07 AM
Well actually, the US heads will work just fine since the bore centers are the same for both engines and the combustion chamber capacities are pretty close (as I recall).  It will just look a little unusual.  I think Ed's web site gives the stats on both engines, 2R8's and
US RDs so you can compare them. 
Lyn Garland
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 21, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
Hi Lyn ,

Yes they should be fitting ok apart from missing the alignment with the blocks 😃 looking subsized externally ...
Cheers
Pravin
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: EE on August 21, 2019, 01:19:54 PM
Sure you could run US heads on euro cylinders by why?? Use the euro heads and take advantage of the cooler running they and the larger finned cylinders were designed for... Ed
I've actually gone the other way before and had Scott Clough cut Euro heads (rechamber, center step the heads to center off original US gasket recess and o-ring) to use on a racer that is using US RD250 cylinders just to get a little more cooling..
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: EE on August 21, 2019, 06:45:55 PM
Ralph also makes his Superior Performance heads for these cylinders I made sure he did his designs so he even covered the Euro 250 cylinders. Ed
And If you race Wossner makes an amazing single ring racing piston for them.
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Yamaha 179 on August 22, 2019, 04:12:59 PM
Ed:
Yes, it looks goofy, but part of the original post was questioning the value, or cost, of the DG heads.  Also there isn't a plethora of Euro heads available, so it may be awhile for him to get a pair.  This will at least will be a stop-gap solution.
Lyn
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 23, 2019, 12:14:29 PM
Thank you all ... I guess he might not invest in heads as firstly budget and secondly hard to get them in India ..

May be he can trade them somewhere ..for 350 ones

Cheers
Pravin
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: EE on August 23, 2019, 12:19:56 PM
Just thinkin about performance/efficiency Lyn:)
You can still find the euo heads it is a little more work now though. Japan and Australia got "Daytona style" 250's too that would be a rare head but a really good one once properly modified. Ed
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 23, 2019, 01:29:16 PM
Thanks Ed .. good thought .. keep looking for heads ..
Can this top end be installed on our rd350s?

Cheers
Pravin
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: Pravin on August 23, 2019, 01:59:04 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F260944985178


Are these the ones ?

Cheers
Pravin
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: EE on August 23, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
Yeah those are the heads.  Yes RD250 and RD350 bottom ends are identical  accept early 73-75 250's had a different primary gear ratio meaning the crank gear and clutch basket gears but you can use either one. But Yamaha went to the "RD350" ratio on all the RDs, LCs and RDs after that.
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: m in sc on August 23, 2019, 04:02:01 PM
SUPPOSEDLY THE 250s had slightly shorter cyl studs as well. if so, i've never had it be an issue. just an fyi. no need to swap them.
Title: Re: Help identifying 247cc cylinders
Post by: EE on August 23, 2019, 04:17:14 PM
Good catch Mark, true.