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Title: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: Dvsrd on March 26, 2020, 12:18:57 AM
I am using a TZ replica fiberglass front fender on my RD350A, currently without any fork brace. The fork is the oem 34 mm KYB, but with RaceTech linear springs, and emulators.
I know some claim that the original fender mount bracket also works as a fork brace, although I haven't noticed much difference myself, riding the bike.
Have anyone for example measured fork twisting, with and without the stock fender installed?
Basically by locking the front wheel in position, then pulling or pushing on the handlebar end, and measuring deflection.
Or even better, having a complete, assembled fork, with triples and wheel axle, with a dummy spacer instead of the wheel hub,  all fasteners torqued to spec. Then clamp the axle/spacer securely, and use a 7/8" round bar instead of the handlebar, and again pull or hang something heavy from it, then measure deflection with and without the stock fender installed.

I am thinking, if the stock fender really doesn't do much, then adding a pound/ half a kg of unsprung weight really makes little sense.
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: oxford on March 26, 2020, 01:12:46 PM
This has my interest.  I am using the same forks and fender and have been wondering about a brace.

If deemed there should be one on there, what are the best options?
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: m in sc on March 26, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
yes. make one.

Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: Dvsrd on March 26, 2020, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: m in sc on March 26, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
yes. make one.
That gives 2 options, either some kind of inverted U-shape, straddling the fender/ doing double duty as fender bracket, or something like the Tarozzi, clamping the fork lowers. I have a Tarozzi on my XS 650D, but they don't make them for the RD350 AFAIK.
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: m in sc on March 27, 2020, 07:12:28 AM
made mine on a tubing bender

(http://www.2strokeworld.net/wp-content/uploads/lightweight-rd/forkbrace/Resized_20180307_204941_zpsgwjvjbdh.jpeg)

2 small flat plates on side, added a tapped plate at top to support fender:

(http://www.2strokeworld.net/wp-content/uploads/lightweight-rd/forkbrace/monospine-forkbrace2_4_zpszen60coh.jpeg)

my friend david wheeled me a fender out of titanium sheet and done

TI bolts and abs spacers:

(http://www.2strokeworld.net/wp-content/uploads/lightweight-rd/TI-fender-hl-ears/rdftfender-ti_4_zps28sp4qcf.jpg)

(http://www.2strokeworld.net/wp-content/uploads/lightweight-rd/TI-fender-hl-ears/rdftfender-ti_2_zps22vztjxg.jpg)

Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: 1976RD400C on March 27, 2020, 10:52:01 AM
^^^  Kind of like my store bought one from 40 years ago.

(https://i.ibb.co/y6dFDGr/20200327-101649.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xSkn0nt/20200327-101705-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: rodneya on March 27, 2020, 10:55:29 AM
Fork brace from Tractech Manufacturing in Niagra
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: m in sc on March 27, 2020, 11:09:18 AM
nice. yup that type is where i got the idea.  :metal:

Im mixed about fork braces that clamp on. i have a few bikes with them, but i also have had some that distorted the fork leg -just enough- to cause a fork seal leak. 
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: JB Weld on March 27, 2020, 01:03:59 PM
Nice Mark! Is that just EMT conduit?
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: teazer on March 27, 2020, 01:16:56 PM
Ah, the TZ replica trick.  Real TZ front fenders incorporate an aluminum brace that acts as the main mount

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/131538727763-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

http://www.meadspeed.com/resources/meadspeed/media-files/products/yamaha/tz250-350/front-mudguard/1976-1980/main.jpg

Try to replicate that.  Not quite as stiff as those ugly tubular designs but quite adequate.
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: m in sc on March 27, 2020, 01:21:20 PM
no, its steel, structural 3/8" tube tig welded onto the plates, not conduit.

and IMHO, not ugly at all.  :whatever:

:dawg:
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: JB Weld on March 27, 2020, 06:54:11 PM
I think it looks great. Hugh's Hand Built makes a similar brace for XS650s.
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: m in sc on March 27, 2020, 07:39:26 PM
i did set mine back quite a bit, you really cant see it unless you look for it. i agree a lot of them are just way too huge.

it son on this pic, just not hanging way out there. the longer the rod the more it will flex. i made it as short as possible. it absolutely made a big difference.

(http://www.2strokeworld.net/wp-content/uploads/lightweight-rd/2019/73037209_2933939979967709_2959595584954040320_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: Dxrat on March 28, 2020, 05:53:18 AM
Rswracing.com makes one for the rd350/400.
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: Djg8493 on March 30, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: Dxrat on March 28, 2020, 05:53:18 AM
Rswracing.com makes one for the rd350/400.

+1, I have one on my RD.
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: Djg8493 on March 30, 2020, 02:52:12 PM
Sorry, here is a better pic
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: m in sc on March 31, 2020, 12:40:31 PM
thats nice.  :clap:
Title: Re: Fiberglass front fender, need for fork brace?
Post by: Tuck on March 31, 2020, 11:17:31 PM
+2 on the RSW brace. Here's another.