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Started by SoCal250, June 23, 2023, 12:41:15 PM

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busa1300

Quote from: m in sc on July 19, 2023, 10:23:25 AMi bought one, doesn't flow enough. I did a pressure drop/flow test on it, flowed less than a 6mm id hose, which is what feeds the fuel t. I have a few ideas what im going to do, but i do appreciate it.  :gentleman:

3MA-24510-00-00

RZ350-RZV500R-TZR250RSP 3XV2
RGV250 VJ21 SP/VJ22 SP/VJ23 SP
RS250 for track - KD80 - JR50 for kids
https://youtube.com/@wedgehorsepower9869?feature=shared

m in sc

now THATS interesting. However, i cant access the bottom of the tank when its on so would always be on reserve or ON, so id have to modify it. its a shit design, not going to lie.

 

SoCal250

#62
The replacement fuel cap arrived early so I replaced that yesterday. I went for one of the better repop units instead of OEM or the really cheap Chineseium stuff on eBay. Seems to be well made, fits nicely and looks good. Even came with a large rubber gasket under the mounting bracket which my original did not have. And it was about 1/3 the price of OEM.

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Now I'm stuck in a holding pattern waiting for parts.
I had decided to go with an OEM Suzuki petcock as opposed to the repops available on eBay, and with my luck it is now backordered (despite the availability displaying as '3-4 days' when I submitted the order).
Shipping Estimated Date:7/31/2023-8/7/2023 :rolleyes:
Once that is here I can eliminate the inline filter and shut-off valve that I installed previously and then replumb new fuel hose

The "To Do List" (revised and getting shorter)
  • Petcock - replace with Suzuki unit
  • Fuel hoses - replace & re-route
  • Carbs - check & adjust after running
  • Coolant - flush and replace #2 (after running)
  • Trans oil - oil change #2 (after running)
  • Paint - clearcoat solo seat cover
  • Chain - re-check slack after running (30-40mm)
  • Fire-up & road test
  • Clean & detail
75 Yamaha RD125B   75 Yamaha RD125B (project)
75 Yamaha RD250B   75 Yamaha RD200B (project)
73 Yamaha RD350     77 Yamaha RD400D   79 Yamaha RD400F  
91 Yamaha TZR250R  89 Yamaha FZR400   05 Yamaha FZ6   
05 Yamaha XT225TC  82 Honda MB5  02 Aprilia RS250 Cup (sold)

SoCal250

#63
I haven't posted an update in a while so I thought I'd add the latest news. The Suzuki RGV petcock arrived, as did the hoses I had ordered from McMaster. I got some black thin-walled hose that Mark had mentioned previously and some Tygon, thinking I could use some of each for the different sections or just go with the one that worked better.

A few weeks ago (Aug 11) I finally found the time to install it. I pulled the entire fuel hose assembly out so the previously installed inline filter and inline shut-off valve were deleted. This allowed for a much cleaner hose install and more direct plumbing with shorter runs and fewer turns. Decided to go with the yellow Tygon since it is less prone to kinking than the thin wall black. Since all the hose is now the same diameter (3/8", 8mm) I also replaced the OEM T-fitting with a brass 3/8" piece because the OEM Yamaha part is 10mm in and two 8mm out. I have a Suzuki OEM 8mm T-fitting on order (now backorder) but it's been a month and no signs of it yet.

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The Suzuki OEM petcock has an 8mm brass outlet.
One interesting fact the petcock is configured for an optional dual outlet, it just needs to be drilled and tapped for a 2nd outlet fitting.
I'm sort of considering modifying the petcock someday so I have two outlets. Then I would be able to run hose directly to each carb and delete the T-fitting.
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RGV250 petcock installed.
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I'm now getting fuel to both carbs but it still will not start. It only runs for about 5-10 seconds on the rear carb. After kicking it 30-40 times and also trying to bump it on the street I was exhausted and gave up. Need to do some further investigation to see what the issue is an verify there's spark on both cylinders.

The "To Do List" (revised and getting shorter)
  • Petcock - replace with Suzuki unit
  • Fuel hoses - replace & re-route
  • Carbs - check & adjust after running
  • Coolant - flush and replace #2 (after running)
  • Trans oil - oil change #2 (after running)
  • Paint - clearcoat solo seat cover
  • Chain - re-check slack after running (30-40mm)
  • Fire-up & road test
  • Clean & detail
75 Yamaha RD125B   75 Yamaha RD125B (project)
75 Yamaha RD250B   75 Yamaha RD200B (project)
73 Yamaha RD350     77 Yamaha RD400D   79 Yamaha RD400F  
91 Yamaha TZR250R  89 Yamaha FZR400   05 Yamaha FZ6   
05 Yamaha XT225TC  82 Honda MB5  02 Aprilia RS250 Cup (sold)

m in sc

i def have petock envy. looks great :olaf:

Acme Moto

#65
Russ, I had the same problem with my 3xv. It was difficult to start and would not stay running. Checked everything multiple times and finally found the lower intake manifold was cracked. Replaced with a new one and all good!

Sad story connected to my 3xv. A good friend/collector had two 92' 3xv5's and one was blinged out with all the the period correct Sugo and Daytona trick bits. He gave me the stock one as a gift as I wrenched on all his bikes for him and he felt it was appropriate to give it to me. His wife had been battling cancer for years and it became terminal. He was starting to sell bikes to pay for medical bills so I gave the bike back to him so he could sell it. A month later he died of a heart attach at 50 years old and a month after that his wife passed. He was a good dude and I miss dearly. Sorry to hi-jack your thread!
Current bikes: 82' RD350LC, 85' RZV500, 86' RZ500S, 88' YSR50, 90' YSR50, 91' RGV250, 96'RS250, 06' Banshee
Sold: 92' TZR250SP :(

SoCal250

Quote from: Acme Moto on August 30, 2023, 05:20:36 PMRuss, I had the same problem with my 3xv. It was difficult to start and would not stay running. Checked everything multiple times and finally found the lower intake manifold was cracked. Replaced with a new one and all good!

Sad story connected to my 3xv. A good friend/collector had two 92' 3xv5's and one was blinged out with all the the period correct Sugo and Daytona trick bits. I gave me the stock one as a gift as I wrenched on all his bikes for him and he felt it was appropriate to give it to me. His wife had been battling cancer for years and it became terminal. He was starting to sell bikes to pay for medical bills so I gave the bike back to him so he could sell it. A month later he died of a heart attach at 50 years old and a month after that his wife passed. He was a good dude and I miss dearly. Sorry to hi-jack your thread!

Thanks for the tip Max, I'll look into that when I have the time to get back at it. This thing has always started in 1-2 kicks since I bought it back in 2004. Guess I shouldn't have mothballed it for so long.

Really sad story! :sad: Sorry for the loss of your friend.
75 Yamaha RD125B   75 Yamaha RD125B (project)
75 Yamaha RD250B   75 Yamaha RD200B (project)
73 Yamaha RD350     77 Yamaha RD400D   79 Yamaha RD400F  
91 Yamaha TZR250R  89 Yamaha FZR400   05 Yamaha FZ6   
05 Yamaha XT225TC  82 Honda MB5  02 Aprilia RS250 Cup (sold)

SoCal250

Had the autographed solo seat cover clear coated at Lanzini Body Works. Very happy with the result, he did a great job and even touched up a couple tiny scratches in the red paint.  Found out Mitch the owner is also a 2-stroke nut and owns a mint Y/B RZ350 and a restored JT2, both of which were in his shop.

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Haven't had much time to work on the remaining items for this bike, but at least one more thing can be crossed off.
The "To Do List"
  • Petcock - replace with Suzuki unit
  • Fuel hoses - replace & re-route
  • Carbs - check & adjust after running
  • Coolant - flush and replace #2 (after running)
  • Trans oil - oil change #2 (after running)
  • Paint - clearcoat solo seat cover
  • Chain - re-check slack after running (30-40mm)
  • Fire-up & road test
  • Clean & detail
75 Yamaha RD125B   75 Yamaha RD125B (project)
75 Yamaha RD250B   75 Yamaha RD200B (project)
73 Yamaha RD350     77 Yamaha RD400D   79 Yamaha RD400F  
91 Yamaha TZR250R  89 Yamaha FZR400   05 Yamaha FZ6   
05 Yamaha XT225TC  82 Honda MB5  02 Aprilia RS250 Cup (sold)