I found these for sale. To my inexperienced eye they look like DGs and I would pass.
The guy thinks they are for RD350 or 400. $100.
Would they be a decent street pipe for a stock or mildly (pipes, boost, squish, 30mm VMs, emission removal) modified 400F? I am capable of fab work to change flanges etc.
Thanks!
I don't think they're DG's. If I had to guess I'd say Bassani's. I'm probably wrong though!
Thanks, hmm... from what I remember of the old thread on the original site, Bassani was a good brand. I remember I liked his ads.
Second attempt to find the pipe id thread paid off:
http://www.2strokeworld.net/forum/index.php?topic=177.0
I'm no wiser after the first page, will dive deeper after dark.
It's a 3 section chamber with an integral silencer. I guess the integral chamber suggests a street pipe.
look like bassani to me. def not j&r. how long is the silencer, thats the defining feature usually. they are super long on the bassanis. unless they are allspeeds or another uk brand? :umm:
Pic of Bassani on page 3. -- http://www.2strokeworld.net/forum/index.php?topic=177.30
^ thanks.
yup bassani. the cone welding around the mount confirms it to me
The fifth reply here, I thought these might be J&R's (look shorter than Bassani). -- www.2strokeworld.net/forum/index.php?topic=1086.msg11007#msg11007
OK, thanks guys! So, should I grab them either way? Considering my previously mentioned build plans? Or should I be saving my sheckels for SpecIIs or the new Moto Carreras? It is highly unlikely they will bolt on to my 400F. Of course if they are good pipes I would want Garrett's sweet new flange mounts anyway.
Thanks for your input!
They kind of look like Bassani from what I remember (old forum) they don't exactly look like DG as the silencer is one diameter the entire length.
Thanks! I'll see if the old Pipe ID Thread was save-able from the old thread. I took our venerable SiteMaster's advice and saved everything I could at the time. I remember that what was there did not go very many pages deep. Hopefully there will be someone's recollections about them.
Did anybody run them? Any advice? Thanks!
excellent old school street pipes. for the money, yes, grab em. ive seen busted dgs going for more and by comparison, not nearly as good.
Quote from: m in sc on April 22, 2020, 04:50:13 PM
^ thanks.
yup bassani. the cone welding around the mount confirms it to me
Makes sense, definitely not Allspeeds anyway. Allspeeds have a slight increase in diameter before the muffler. Also, the mufflers are fitted straight on to the baffle cone, so they angle out a bit at the rear.
But the design of headpipe/ divergent cone/parallel section/convergent (baffle) cone is very much like Allspeeds and Higgspeed RD pipes. Maybe those two companies copied Bassani, at least to a degree?
Quote from: m in sc on April 23, 2020, 07:32:43 AM
excellent old school street pipes. for the money, yes, grab em. ive seen busted dgs going for more and by comparison, not nearly as good.
Thanks a bunch, I'll take a stock muffler and head pipe with me and go take a look.
Bassani pipes...I can tell by the pipe mount strap and the stinger clip in baffle.
I have a set still and won't sell them...love the old school look of them.
Great power, way better than DG, but all torque!
They don't rev much but a blast to ride on F cylinders with low exhaust port if a US 2V0 cylinder.
Chuck
Thanks Chuck, dammit! I was a little too late and missed out. Arg! :(
You snooze, you lose! Back to saving my sheckels...
Quote from: Barto on April 25, 2020, 12:26:39 PM
Thanks Chuck, dammit! I was a little too late and missed out. Arg! :(
You snooze, you lose! Back to saving my sheckels...
Probably a good thing you missed them. They are extremely ugly pipes, probably about a foot too long.
I dig em! On an R5 or old school build.
I would like to find a set, they do look odd though.
Like I said... old school design.
Yes, way long...but I like them...
C
they work really well. funky, but no funkier than dg heads and i think they are hideous. Period for sure. :cheerleader:
What I'd like to know, is the "vital dimensions" of various pipes. I can measure my Allspeeds from 82/83 and my Higgspeeds from a couple of years ago. I suspect they are quite similar, except the headpipe diameter. The Higgspeeds are quite a bit larger.
I was thinking header diameter/length, diffuser diameters and lengths (or starting diameter and divergent angle) and so on. All the way, including stingers and baffle tubes. If others do the same, then we could compile some kind of spreadsheet or table for various pipes for comparing the designs,
Main dimensions of my now butchered stainless Higgspeeds (Now in the process of eing modded with a larger silencer sleeve, longer internal stinger, and a different perforated baffle setup)
Header OD 44mm, ID 41 mm (too large, I think. Looking into cutting out a wedge to make them taper to 37 mm ID at spigot)
Header length 315 mm outside turn, 230 mm inside turn. Centerline length 272.5 mm
Single stage diffuser cone. Short side length 390 mm, long side 425 mm. Centerline length 407.5 mm
Belly section OD 92 mm. Short side 100 mm, long side 120 mm. Centerline length 110 mm.
Baffle (convergent) cone, cut at 55 mm OD (silencer weld) Short side 185 mm, long side 205 mm. Centerline length 195 mm for this INCOMPLETE CONE.
Not sure whether I should just weld in a big washer with a hole for the stinger, or fabricate a short cone section to complete the cone until around 25 mm ID, and weld in a machined sleeve for the stinger.
Fabricate a cone section and complete the cone.