I've used Gunk brand, Berryman's, and Yamahas brand in a gallon container submerging removed parts and jets. What have you found to work best? I know Chuck/ Supertune has a recommendation but I can'r remember it? Thanks.
I've been eyeballing an ultrasonic tank, they have really dropped in price...
I use a Harbor Freight ultrasonic cleaner.
75% gunk carb dip, 25% wd 40, l&r ultrasonic.
VEVOR Commercial Ultrasonic Cleaner 1.3L Ultrasonic Cleaner for Cleaning Eyeglasses Rings Large Capacity Heated Ultrasonic Cleaner https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LAZGKRA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_QehMCbZHPCAVQ
I run Simple Green or Purple Power in mine.
Bransonic with BBQ lighter fluid.
I have used the Berryman Chem-Dip cresylic acid phenolic dunk that comes in a 5 gallon metal bucket. That stuff really works great but it stinks so bad that you'll never forget it's there. Not for home use for sure.
IR8D8R
..if you use the wd it acts as a vapor barrier to an extent, but yeah, not for in house use. shop is ok. (imho), lighter fluid, ie, naptha?
I ordered a 3L Rovsun stainless model off Amazon for $89.99 prime. Looked like a great deal with excellent capacity for the $. How long would you run it to clean a carb?
WITH FRESH FLUID? no more than 20-30 min
Quote from: m in sc on March 25, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
WITH FRESH FLUID? no more than 20-30 min
Much appreciated Mark! :righteous:
Mark,
Lighter fluid as in Kingsford. Generic petroleum distillate. I use grocery store charcoal lighter. Same as paint thinner. If you use deodorized lamp oil it smells better but costs more. Same setup I use on old mechanical 35mm cameras when I rebuild them. Nice clean clear solvent.
Naptha go BOOM!
IR8D8R
naptha burns, doesnt go boom. (its zippo fluid after all) used to use it in our ultrasonic as a final rinse in the clock shop.
I have still yet to find anything that works better than the carb dip/wd on carbs. actually brings the iridescence back to the zinc/aluminum alloy. Except for vapor blasting , man, talk about new finish. holy cow.
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I have a VEVOR ultrasonic but haven't used it much or tried different solutions. After seeing Marks' photo I may have to try that! Wow
You get the vapor concentration right it will. Ever built a zippo cannon?
There's a YouTube video of a guy that replates carbs for concourse restos to get the iridescence back. He uses cadmium dichromate. Apparently theres a cadmium wash used to put a hard surface on the metal in production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmn94B5UUuU
IR8D8R
after 10+ years using naptha in an ultrasonic at work i can tell you 100% , its fine and safe. I spent the better part of a decade restoring 100-200 year old mechanical clocks as a job, as said, i've pretty much tried everything there is. for the timepeices, we sould use l&r solution, but it didnt work well on othe ritems that were more heavy duty, such as victrola parts, this is where the carb cleaner came from, and the wd leaves a nice finish to keep any steel parts from rusting and displaces any moisture int he pores of the metal. used to -piss off- my old boss when i would do carbs, so when i was 22 i got my own ultrasonic, and still have it. 8) we had 5 in the shop actually.
I have used starter fluid in a spud gun as well. :whistle: :toot:
fwiw, those vm's were vapor blasted.
these were cleaned in an ultrasonic . however, i have some better pics somewhere showing the iridescence on a set of mikunis out of the same mix.
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I use Simple Green, but the purple Simple Green (found at Home Depot in gallon jugs). It takes very little of it mixed with water. The carbs- look like new after. Generally I dip the carbs in pinesol for a night just to remove the major junk then send them to the tanks. This just helps keep the tank clean, especially if the carbs are really bad. I'm not sure I'd go for a really small tank, 1 liter seems too small to me. I have a 7 liter tank and wish I had gone for one the 10 or 15 liter tanks. They are such handy tools that I use it for stuff all the time. I even restored a few cast iron pans that my wife was going to toss, I also did our silverware (that's some type of silverish), I like to put my eyeglasses in there as it cleans them perfectly, the list goes on.
What Chris said.
I have a 10L ultrasoninc and wish I got a bigger one.
I put everything off the bike in there, carbs, cylinders, random nuts and bolts, etc.
10L isn't quite big enough for the engine cases, so yeah, go bigger if you can.
Quote from: sav0r on March 25, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
I use Simple Green, but the purple Simple Green (found at Home Depot in gallon jugs). It takes very little of it mixed with water.
What ratio of the Industrial Simple Green to water do you recommend?
I've been using 50/50 mix of Dollar Store brand "Totally Awesome" with water. It's worked great for me. Non-corrosive, etc. And it's CHEAP.
I put heavily soiled parts in a separate container in the bath to extend the life of the tank solution.
I was reading somewhere that there is a berrymans that is suitable for ultrasonic use, and has some other additive as a boundary layer to keep evaporation down.
Also, I've wanted to try Mark's jungle juice mix.
I've used Marks mixture for the last 2 years and it works great but definitely use in a well ventilated area.
I've got to try that magical mark mixture. The finish is beautiful.
Like previously stated, many people use diluted Simple Green but have reported that it discolors the aluminum but Simple Green HD (purple) doesn't do this and people have had great results.
Just tried Simple Green. Did not work well. Turned the carbs dull gray and left an oxidized patina similar to gray Parkerizing.
I had to use a brass brush to recover any metallic luster. It did get them clean though. Spotless.
I didn't have any BBQ lighter. Been using moonshine to light my charcoal. Maybe I should have tried some 180 proof on the carbs. But every time I get it out I end up drinking some and progress slows to a crawl. :guinness:
IR8D8R
Quote from: IR8D8R on April 04, 2019, 04:01:04 PM
Just tried Simple Green. Did not work well. Turned the carbs dull gray and left an oxidized patina similar to gray Parkerizing.
I had to use a brass brush to recover any metallic luster. It did get them clean though. Spotless.
I didn't have any BBQ lighter. Been using moonshine to light my charcoal. Maybe I should have tried some 180 proof on the carbs. But every time I get it out I end up drinking some and progress slows to a crawl. :guinness:
IR8D8R
Yeah, read a lot about Simple Green doing that. I'm going to try the HD stuff and report back on my results
Quote from: sav0r on March 25, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
I use Simple Green, but the purple Simple Green (found at Home Depot in gallon jugs). It takes very little of it mixed with water.
Quote from: Evans Ward on March 26, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
What ratio of the Industrial Simple Green to water do you recommend?
I have the same question. What is the ratio of Simple Green Pro HD (purple) to water?
I dont' think I can use Mark's recipe because it may stink up the house (my garage is connected to the house and under the second story)
I used a 50/50 mix of the purple Simple Greem to hot water. Ran each carb about 20 min x3. Very clean internally but not real happy with the dulling dark gray color on exterior of carbs. I guess the main thing is they are cleaned internally but next time I'm using Marks magic elixir outdoors.
Quote from: Evans Ward on April 08, 2019, 04:48:43 PM
I used a 50/50 mix of the purple Simple Greem to hot water. Ran each carb about 20 min x3. Very clean internally but not real happy with the dulling dark gray color on exterior of carbs. I guess the main thing is they are cleaned internally but next time I'm using Marks magic elixir outdoors.
I was under the impression that only the green Simple Green turned the aluminum dark. If the purple does it too then I may have to go back the drawing board.
I may end up just doing like you and running mine outside with Mark's concoction. And then put the mixture in a sealed jug until the next use.
ive had some darkened carbs in the tank with people using simple green. doesn't always come out with my mix since its a chemical reaction. shit bonds on there. vapor blasting will remove it though. I never, ever use simple green on anything aluminum or zinc, had bad experiences with it on an intake manifold on my old fairlane many years ago.
Beware of Purple Power. Bad for aluminum. I believe there is a warning in small print on the back of the container.
How about low odor mineral spirits & ATF or Marvel Mystery Oil?
Quote from: retaRD on March 27, 2019, 02:44:20 AM
I've been using 50/50 mix of Dollar Store brand "Totally Awesome" with water. It's worked great for me. Non-corrosive, etc. And it's CHEAP.
I should also add that I have no discoloring issues.
LA's totally awesome from the dollar store is truly totally awesome! One of the only tthings you can spray on, soak for 5 min and wipe/rinse off serious oil and grime. I started using it when I would pressure wash my mx bike. Great stuff!
i def need to get some of this stuff and experiment. Nathans been telling me about it for a few years. :toot:
I checked their website and none of the stores listed are in Hawaii. Anybody knows what's in the bottle? Maybe another similar product will work.
Quote from: Hawaii-Mike on April 11, 2019, 01:25:23 AM
I checked their website and none of the stores listed are in Hawaii. Anybody knows what's in the bottle? Maybe another similar product will work.
I will send you a picture of the bottle I purchased.
Wow- that LAs Totally Awesome is really affordable! Found it at my local Dollar Tree Store. About $1 per 64 ozs. Going to try it on a disassembled petcock first.
Quote from: Hawaii-Mike on April 11, 2019, 01:25:23 AM
I checked their website and none of the stores listed are in Hawaii. Anybody knows what's in the bottle? Maybe another similar product will work.
I looked at the bottle, there isn't any ingredients posted but I found this
http://www.midlandtool.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/L.A.-Totally-Awesome-Cleaner.pdf
Sorry about the delay.
Me again. Of course, this topic is of high interest to me, with the 78 in pieces and soaking in everything from mineral spirits to old flat Budweiser. I do in fact love the Berryman's, and since it is so stinky it gets used out of doors, but man does it get everything sparkly clean! Great for small parts, with the little basket-in-a-can, but kind of pricey if you want to fill a wash tub for the big parts.
So I followed the consensus and bought three gallons of the LA Totally Awesome. Gonna go soak the rear sprocket and disk brake mount, and see how it works. Impartial review forthcoming :patriot:
I've tried every recipe listed in this thread and can say with authority that Mark's magic elixir is the best. Again, outdoor use only due to possible toxic fumes.
Berrymans works great, but the stank is hella nasty.
I'm on the lookout for Totally Awesome!
Quote from: Evans Ward on June 07, 2019, 08:07:03 PM
I've tried every recipe listed in this thread and can say with authority that Mark's magic elixir is the best. Again, outdoor use only due to possible toxic fumes.
I second that, it works great!
Quote from: bigdavet on June 07, 2019, 06:43:08 PM
Me again. Of course, this topic is of high interest to me, with the 78 in pieces and soaking in everything from mineral spirits to old flat Budweiser. I do in fact love the Berryman's, and since it is so stinky it gets used out of doors, but man does it get everything sparkly clean! Great for small parts, with the little basket-in-a-can, but kind of pricey if you want to fill a wash tub for the big parts.
So I followed the consensus and bought three gallons of the LA Totally Awesome. Gonna go soak the rear sprocket and disk brake mount, and see how it works. Impartial review forthcoming :patriot:
Just did my rear chain with that stuff in an ultrasonic and it was wicked good at cleaning it.
Plus one on Berrymans.
Quote from: pdxjim on June 07, 2019, 08:26:19 PM
Berrymans works great, but the stank is hella nasty.
I'm on the lookout for Totally Awesome!
Dollar store (Dollar Tree in New England).
I tried out my 3l Harbor Freight ultrasonic on my carbs, with TA 50/50 with water...
Worked pretty good.
Before;
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Me again :blah:
Well, after a weekend of scrubbing and soaking, I've come to my own humble opinion. I'm sticking with Berryman's all the way. Sorry, but that LA Totally Awesome stuff is severely lacking in the wow factor, and I'm using it undiluted. Everything I've soaked in the Berryman's comes out spotless, mostly even without any brushing, just wipe off. So for what I have left to do, I'll be buying another gallon of the chem dip and filling a soaking tray to go along with the small parts basket. Of course, all my cleaning is being done outside in the shade, rather than inside the garage. It's definitely stanky.
Again, this is my humble opinion, nothing else. Good luck and keep the shiny side up! :guinness:
Quote from: bigdavet on June 09, 2019, 08:56:39 PM
Me again :blah:
Well, after a weekend of scrubbing and soaking, I've come to my own humble opinion. I'm sticking with Berryman's all the way. Sorry, but that LA Totally Awesome stuff is severely lacking in the wow factor, and I'm using it undiluted. Everything I've soaked in the Berryman's comes out spotless, mostly even without any brushing, just wipe off. So for what I have left to do, I'll be buying another gallon of the chem dip and filling a soaking tray to go along with the small parts basket. Of course, all my cleaning is being done outside in the shade, rather than inside the garage. It's definitely stanky.
Again, this is my humble opinion, nothing else. Good luck and keep the shiny side up! :guinness:
Berrymans is great stuff and I've used it for years. Ambient temp dip that's it.
For hot sonic agitation though TA works better for me because it's cheap and doesn't stink.
Running it full strength though is counter intuitive because the solution becomes too heavy to cavitate well, which is what cleans the parts.
To further muddy the waters (pun intended) I know there is a Berrymans formula that is intended for ultrasonic cleaners, not the gallon pail cleaner from the auto parts store. It has an oil boundary layer or something I believe.
.. that's why the wd40 is added to the way i use it. :haw: :toot:
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Quote from: pdxjim on June 10, 2019, 06:29:04 PM
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you found it!!
I've had good luck with Metal Rescue corrosion cleaner. Water base works great in ultra sonic cleaner. Won't flash no fumes to speak of