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Title: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: idr5c on August 13, 2020, 12:40:02 PM
I'm having a brain fart regarding a tuning technique that I have used for years  :umm:, hoping someone on the board can set me straight. Not sure how I managed to forget this rule of thumb... Lyn told me about this a decade or so ago and I've used it ever since.

Once the bike will pull cleanly on the MJ (no blubbering), I will go to WOT in top gear and hold it there. As the speed levels out, I'll back off to 7/8 throttle or so and see if the engine picks up a bit.

If the engine picks up a bit, does that indicate the MJ is a little rich or lean?
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: Dvsrd on August 13, 2020, 02:23:57 PM
I'd say lean, from experience with my RD350, oem emulsionntypr needle jet setup, 30 years ago...
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: m in sc on August 13, 2020, 02:28:08 PM
could also be fuel feed issue. had same problem with my lc, had to go to 3.5mm? needle seats at wide open. only did it by the time i was wot at top of 5th gear, 6th would stall out. took forever to diagnose..

always err on the side of going richer on the main for tests like this. IF it gets worse, then you know its too fat. however, it DOES sound lean. but dont disregard how fast the bowl fills vs how fast its being used.  what size are your mains? if over 300, then, look at needle seat and verify hole size.
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: idr5c on August 13, 2020, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: m in sc on August 13, 2020, 02:28:08 PM
could also be fuel feed issue. had same problem with my lc, had to go to 3.5mm? needle seats at wide open. only did it by the time i was wot at top of 5th gear, 6th would stall out. took forever to diagnose..

always err on the side of going richer on the main for tests like this. IF it gets worse, then you know its too fat. however, it DOES sound lean. but dont disregard how fast the bowl fills vs how fast its being used.  what size are your mains? if over 300, then, look at needle seat and verify hole size.

Not asking about issues with a particular bike, just the tuning technique in general.

Does anybody actually have experience with this tuning technique?
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: m in sc on August 13, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
YES. LEAN.

Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: idr5c on August 13, 2020, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: m in sc on August 13, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
YES. LEAN.

Now THAT is a clear answer!!  :clap: Many thanks.
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: m in sc on August 13, 2020, 05:06:50 PM
i mean i did say:

however, it DOES sound lean.

:dawg:  :whistle: :vroom: :metal:
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: Yamaha 179 on August 13, 2020, 08:36:00 PM
It has been my experience that the needle reduces he flow of gas more than the slide reduces the air flow therefore leaning out the mixture.  Less gas but almost the same amount of air = seizure.
Lyn Garland
PS: I didn't say 7/8 throttle, I said close the throttle just a bit; just ease off a tad.
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: KANDY on August 13, 2020, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: Yamaha 179 on August 13, 2020, 08:36:00 PM
"the needle reduces he flow of gas more than the slide reduces the air flow therefore leaning out the mixture"

wont get a better explanation than this.  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: quocle603 on August 16, 2020, 09:15:20 AM
Trust me, no shame in relearning the basics. I always have to second guess myself.
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: idr5c on August 17, 2020, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Yamaha 179 on August 13, 2020, 08:36:00 PM
It has been my experience that the needle reduces he flow of gas more than the slide reduces the air flow therefore leaning out the mixture.  Less gas but almost the same amount of air = seizure.
Lyn Garland
PS: I didn't say 7/8 throttle, I said close the throttle just a bit; just ease off a tad.

Bingo, that's the info I needed. Lyn's right and I used the technique this weekend at the track. My main jet was still a little rich after working down from blubbery, and when I'd ease back on the throttle from WOT the bike would pull a little harder. Went down a size and all was well. Thanks Lyn!


Quote from: m in sc on August 13, 2020, 05:06:50 PM
i mean i did say:

however, it DOES sound lean.


Yep, you sure did.
Title: Re: Main jet fine tuning trick.... WOT and back off a little?
Post by: Czakky on August 17, 2020, 04:46:22 PM
Mine acts very similar...