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Title: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 21, 2023, 03:13:22 PM
my shifter for my controls is very stiff. i did some research and i found someone on this site or another i can't remember. a guy had a post on how he took an old shifter and modified it to make a longer arm for leverage to make shifting easier. yes it does increase travel but for me it is not an issue. i actually have a rd350b shifter but i didn't want to cut it up. i found an aluminum shifter on amazon for $14.00. i can always put it back if i choose.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 21, 2023, 05:04:22 PM
Do you have a link?
I have motocarrera 1st gen rear sets and it kills my foot to shift, does anyone have any kind of fix, or is it inherent to all rear sets? Back in the day I rode a lot of friends' bikes that had rear sets and i don't remember them being this way, maybe it's my tired old feet.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: rodneya on April 21, 2023, 05:27:56 PM
I think that was an old thread by Chuck where he extended the arm.
I got sick and tired of fiddling with linkages and just run a solid lever facing backwards and change gears 1 up 5 down
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 21, 2023, 06:06:52 PM
i have also ridden with a reversed stock shifter. i got used to it pretty quick.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: sav0r on April 21, 2023, 06:47:19 PM
I machined a custom lever that added some leverage. It was a lot of work. I should have bought that arm for $15. That wouldn't have solved the issue with the old lever having fallen off though.

(https://i.imgur.com/a9MQ4KF.jpeg)
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: TPR5 on April 21, 2023, 10:56:43 PM
I did this , too tight for me on the shifter side .
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 22, 2023, 07:36:19 AM
so did you extend the shifter for more room for your foot? if so i have a 10.5 size boot i wear and it is just about a perfect fit. i don't remember the brand of rear sets i have but i am sure they are all made from different specs..
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: m in sc on April 22, 2023, 09:43:41 AM
i machined a longer lever for an old set of motocareras a few years ago for dave, made a big difference, added 1.5" to the total length.

Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 22, 2023, 11:06:47 AM
I might get rid of these and get a set from slipstream in the near future, or I might even try GP shifting which seems interesting. But you still have to down shift, so not sure how much that really helps.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: m in sc on April 22, 2023, 11:21:16 AM
I can honestly say, the speed of cheese ones are the absolute best i have ever used that i have bought, and are the prettiest hands down. the ones on my hybrid i made myself, cnc'd them a long time ago, to fit me. always look for ones with actual roller bearings in the shifter.   :twocents:
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 22, 2023, 12:47:10 PM
so far after I have done a couple road tests and adjustments i am pleased with the outcome. i set the actual shifter height to where the top of my foot is almost resting on the shifter for up shifting. to me it does shift much easier.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: TPR5 on April 22, 2023, 10:10:01 PM
Yep, I wanted more room for my foot, I'm currently trying it without the extension, seems ok easier to shift with the extension. The brake side I added a spacer to extend the shaft out a little.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 23, 2023, 08:46:11 AM
what size is your foot?
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 23, 2023, 11:32:11 AM
i always wear boots when i ride. the boots i wear have a separate heel so it fits into the narrow aluminum foot pegs.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: TPR5 on April 23, 2023, 02:15:23 PM
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Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 23, 2023, 02:31:32 PM
not far from 10.5 so i can relate. it's a little tight but i am used to it.
good luck,
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 25, 2023, 08:06:32 AM
Quote from: LMS on April 22, 2023, 11:06:47 AM
I might get rid of these and get a set from slipstream in the near future, or I might even try GP shifting which seems interesting. But you still have to down shift, so not sure how much that really helps.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 25, 2023, 08:09:20 AM
Quote from: m in sc on April 22, 2023, 09:43:41 AM
i machined a longer lever for an old set of motocareras a few years ago for dave, made a big difference, added 1.5" to the total length.
Whooops, quoted myself above.
This! My bike is still in somewhat pieces, and i only rode it a few times before I tore it apart. I have size 12 shoes, put rear sets back on as a test fit and with my 12-shoe size, the levers are just waaaaay to short.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 25, 2023, 09:14:55 AM
i think once you get things going back together you will be able to see if you could make some kind of extension for your shifter. the brake shouldn't be a problem since your pushing down on it.
good luck with your build.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 25, 2023, 04:25:31 PM
yes chuck had a shifter mod.    https://www.2strokeworld.net/forum/index.php?topic=857.msg6926#msg6926
very nice job and adjustable.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 25, 2023, 06:24:37 PM
I had some time today to fool around with the rear sets I have. I'm 6-3 and I'm installing a seat that will be much lower than a stock seat. That means my long legs will be more scrunched up. Slipstream has rear sets that have your legs pretty far back, but I would like to NOT spend 325 bucks. It's one of the reasons why I'm looking at slipstreams because of how far the peg/lever attaches. I test fitted the Moto Carrera lever/peg I have by attaching them to the rear foot peg opening, shifter side, and find this seems to work frickn great, comfort wise. I have not tested to see if the chamber will fit and would have to purchase a longer shift rod. It's also a tad lower, not sure if it would scrape, doubt it since I will not be pushing it. Has anyone done this before? Not sure about the brake side just yet, but it's the shifter side that needs more attention.
Thx.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 25, 2023, 07:37:36 PM
it sounds like you're on the right track. you are a big dude though. at 5'9" i've always wanted to be taller. i fit on my rd very well and for once i am pleased to be shorter.
good luck,
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: m in sc on April 25, 2023, 08:02:36 PM
thats actually how the OLD school specII ones used to mount, it works fine.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 25, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
Awesome! I'll test fit the chamber and go from there.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 27, 2023, 08:05:19 AM
Well, that was somewhat of a failure for now. The pipes I have are somewhat bulbous in that area which would make it a tad hard to shift. I might be able to drop the pipe down some to make it work. My question is in regard to the rear foot peg brackets. Am I correct in assuming that in order to remove those brackets, one has to pull the swingarm bolt out? If so, that seems like a ton of work, per say.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: m in sc on April 27, 2023, 11:49:45 AM
correct. not that bad actually. however, you also have to space out the distance w washers or a  spacer to take up the gap int he bolt that will be lost when you remove the hangers, or you'll lose the ability to tighten it down enough.

space the peg out have the shifter/peg clear the pipe would be my suggestion, use a longer bolt if nec.  also if you can space the pipe in a bit.

Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 27, 2023, 01:34:37 PM
Thx Mark.
I can shim the pipe in towards the wheel about 5/8's of an inch but it's still a tight fit with my foot. Doesn't look like I can really drop the pipe down any because when I do it binds within the exhaust port. I drilled a hole above the hole where the rear peg attaches, nope, still not enough room. I also tried shimming the rearset away from the bracket 3/4's on an inch, nope. Sooooooo after further ado, I'm taking the stock moto carrera bracket and moving it back about 1.5 inches and down a tad from where it is now. That's the best I can do with these pipes, but it's better than the stock location for my long ass legs and big feet.
My thought was to remove the rear peg brackets and make my own for the rearsets, but based on the chamber, the above will be the best I can do. A new bracket will do nothing to help.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 27, 2023, 03:27:03 PM
i made these brackets to move my controls back and down slightly. after i got done it really didn't do much but i don't need to put my foot peg up to start it.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: LMS on April 27, 2023, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: kramdua on April 27, 2023, 03:27:03 PM
i made these brackets to move my controls back and down slightly. after i got done it really didn't do much but i don't need to put my foot peg up to start it.

That bracket almost looks like what slipstream sells, and was also what I had in mind. Looks like you might have lomas pipes which have more room for your feet from what I can tell from other pixs? And what bike do you have, is yours an LC because the case is different than mine? I also tried the same shift arm you bought off I think, Amazon, but it would not work on my bike because the case is different. Does anyone have an idea on what the shift arm length should be? The one i have is 2 inches from center line of shaft to center of hole.
Title: Re: i gave in.
Post by: kramdua on April 28, 2023, 09:06:33 AM
i work at a ford dealer for 20 years and on cars like the ford crown victoria's replacement alternator came with a new bracket so you could mount it on different years. so i kept a lot of the brackets that weren't needed and that's where the metal came from.
those are JL pipes.
the bike is a 1975 rd350 and for some reason the previous owner put a rd400 side cover on the shifter side. maybe he liked the looks. i was going to change back to the 350 cover but it was already painted and looked good.
here is a picture of the bracket.