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Title: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Guygrrr on July 09, 2024, 02:32:35 PM
Not mine, of course. What a tremendous bike!

https://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/mcy/d/wrentham-1985-harris-performance-uk/7764230141.html
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on July 09, 2024, 02:52:45 PM
oh man thats sweet  :olaf:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: The Red Scourge on July 09, 2024, 03:08:11 PM
Agreed!  Super cool race bike.
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: dgorms on July 09, 2024, 06:04:57 PM
Mark, It's got your name on it! Go Go Go!
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: SoCal250 on July 09, 2024, 08:34:39 PM
already gone
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on July 10, 2024, 07:06:51 AM
:cool:

I didn't buy it but I'm 99% sure who did, and I'll probably be able to spend some time with it.  :cheerleader:

 
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on September 13, 2024, 08:11:06 PM
:whistle:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: msr on September 14, 2024, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: m in sc on September 13, 2024, 08:11:06 PM:whistle:

It begins ...
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: 2 Smoker on September 16, 2024, 03:22:21 PM
Very nice indeed
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Guygrrr on September 21, 2024, 07:43:37 PM
Whoa,cool!
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on September 22, 2024, 08:02:35 PM
few mor epics. next step is trying to figure out a way to get some sort of a starter on it. no, a battery drill or impact will not do it (or an air one). Ive tired and nope, no way.  needs a tire roller to start now. some versions of tandem rotax twins for other applications had one off the clutch, so , seeing what i can do maybe..? if that goes nowhere, i'll prob put a ring gear off the nose of the cdi i wind up with and go from there. im not doing anything none reversible.

I just got the info pack/paperwork on it a few days ago, looked through it for an hour or 2. Neat thing is it did bonneville in 04 and recorded a 130.89 mine time. not too shabby for a road-racer 250.

Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: SoCal250 on September 23, 2024, 01:39:30 AM
 :bacon: so cool!
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: IR8D8R on September 23, 2024, 12:50:12 PM
I had the 125 version of that engine in my Enduro shifter kart back in the early 90's. They rip!

A guy named Terry Ives was running the 250 in his karts. They were FAST! Lapping Sears Point in the low 1:40's in practice. Very close to the track record then. He had tons of money invested in them. The 250s were in the range of 80 hp stock.

IR8D8R
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Jung on October 07, 2024, 02:07:17 PM
That's an absolute beauty. I have something a bit like it, but with a JJ Cobas copy frame, commissioned by Tony Murphy back in 1983. Really need to get around to rebuilding it! Have you got anything other than the parts list for the motor? The version I have is not particularly informative...

Here's a pic of mine.

Looking at some of the papers I got, it apparently set a speed record of 148.104 in the AGS class at World of Speed in 1989 (whatever that is!)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tZcLxZTN/3-DEF9466-67-CA-408-F-B0-AD-3308072-B90-D1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZcLxZTN)
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on October 07, 2024, 03:10:28 PM
I have the manual for the motor, but mostly a parts list. stoll haven't gotten it fired off yet. is tony Murphy still around? his name came up a lot in the paperwork but have bern hitting dead ends. I assume he's out or no longer around. :huh:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Jung on October 07, 2024, 03:43:38 PM
He's still around but in his mid 80s and long retired - I went out to say hello to him a bit over a year ago and he told me all about my bike. Proper old legend. He has a couple of these motors stuffed into enduro chassis that he built with an idea to race Baja. His strategy was to swap knobblies for street rubber for the long tarmac sections and rip through them at 130....

I think I must have the same parts list you do - it's good in the sense it gives dimensions for all the oil seals, so you can buy appropriate replacements from seal suppliers but there's not a lot other than the exploded diagrams to help with reconditioning. I got mine started but need to have the engine out for new seals and a general refresh before it turns a wheel properly. They sound like super angry singles, much different to the 180 twins.

There's a couple of companies in the UK that are very familiar with them - Viper Racing UK worth a call but let me know if you find anyone local!
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on October 27, 2024, 07:43:21 PM
finally. this kicked my ass for 2 days trying to get it to fire up. BUT, HPI w lighting coil installed. it was revving really high because there's no idle adjustment right now and i guessed on the cable slack.

last time it ran was in 2004 at Bonneville ( i would imagine).

:cheerleader:  :celebrate:  :toot:




Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Jung on October 28, 2024, 12:55:49 PM
Nice, excellent to see it making noise again! Are you going to give it a strip down for seals, etc?

Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on October 28, 2024, 01:07:22 PM
moat are externally changeable, so probably will adress all that. crank seal behind the ign was nice and soft.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bdks7tGf/20241027-123633.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bdks7tGf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7J9Dxw80/20241027-145524.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7J9Dxw80)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yj6Q1VzF/20241027-170823.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Yj6Q1VzF)
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Jung on November 01, 2024, 08:30:23 PM
Nice, I'll keep following this one. Hopefully inspiration to sort mine...

Cheers.
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on November 01, 2024, 11:31:10 PM
i have a line on 2 new carbs out of the UK... im going to rebuild the ones i have w the bike but they are near impossible to fond complete.

Hopefully can get it to idle this weekend and sort out the charging system. then to try to locate reproduction Decorite Bodywork.. whish i have a feeling will be nearly impossible.
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on November 03, 2024, 06:00:59 PM


here we go. fires right up now, rebuilt original carbs. actually idles pretty good.. and yes, now has a charging system.  :devil:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Kawtriplefreak on November 03, 2024, 11:19:09 PM
 :metal:  :metal:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Jung on November 04, 2024, 12:40:09 PM
Nice! A 2 stroke race bike that idles, whatever next? :)
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on November 04, 2024, 01:31:47 PM
on board starter and lights   :toot:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: dgorms on November 04, 2024, 06:47:35 PM
Your neighbors gotta love you!
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: SoCal250 on November 04, 2024, 06:50:51 PM
Quote from: m in sc on November 03, 2024, 06:00:59 PMhere we go. fires right up now, rebuilt original carbs. actually idles pretty good.. and yes, now has a charging system.  :devil:
:clap: Awesome!! :olaf:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on November 04, 2024, 09:48:31 PM
neighbors dont mind, i dont do this late or super early.
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Jung on November 05, 2024, 11:50:11 AM
Quote from: m in sc on November 04, 2024, 01:31:47 PMon board starter and lights   :toot:

Haha - amazing.  :clap:  What a blast that would be in the canyons...albeit a bit thirsty in pistons!
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: RDnuTZ on April 25, 2025, 06:45:06 PM
where did this one end up?
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on April 25, 2025, 07:59:30 PM
still in garage.  Just got the starter stuff 2? weeks ago and a right hand sidestand just showed up a few days ago. I've been taking g ot easy w bigger projects temporarily (I'm ok now) but had surgery and had to take ot easy, so focused in smaller jobs till I was back 100%, which is like this week. it's def a long term one.
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on April 25, 2025, 08:01:49 PM
I have some cad work to to to make an adapter plate and adapter spool for the clutch, Cartier bearing and convert to a hydraulic actuator.  needs to all be reversible,  buy it's on track. :afro:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: grcamna3 on April 25, 2025, 08:03:44 PM
Very nice 250 race bike.
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: RDnuTZ on April 25, 2025, 10:27:38 PM
Cool  :cool: Hope it wasn't anything too serious. Raise a glass to a speedy full recovery :guinness:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: teazer on April 28, 2025, 08:12:48 PM
That HPI ignition is interesting.  Is it programmable ?

Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on April 28, 2025, 09:29:18 PM
not this one, but you can get a programmable box for it from them
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: RDnuTZ on May 12, 2025, 10:25:34 AM
something similar...

https://www.vintagemx.us/cgi-bin/racephoto.cgi?3ee0d6965c134c90b8b8e223549259fa
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on June 03, 2025, 09:08:30 AM
doesn't seem like a huge step forward, but it is. Will make working on it much easier to deal with.
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: Kawtriplefreak on June 03, 2025, 03:20:02 PM
 :patriot:  :patriot:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: SoCal250 on June 03, 2025, 03:52:54 PM
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: stresa on June 03, 2025, 06:27:04 PM
Quote from: RDnuTZ on May 12, 2025, 10:25:34 AMsomething similar...

https://www.vintagemx.us/cgi-bin/racephoto.cgi?3ee0d6965c134c90b8b8e223549259fa
@RDnuTZ,
the bike in your link is a very different breed. 1 Cylinder 4stroke engine.
Regards Uwe
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: RDnuTZ on June 03, 2025, 09:49:50 PM
Nice catch. I did not know Rotax even made 4 stroke cycle motors  :vroom:
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on June 10, 2025, 02:31:08 PM
got an adapter 3d printed up.  test fit, now on to the internal gear carrier and support bearings. 
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: SoCal250 on June 10, 2025, 07:53:03 PM
Quote from: RDnuTZ on June 03, 2025, 09:49:50 PMNice catch. I did not know Rotax even made 4 stroke cycle motors  :vroom:
Rotax made a lot of 4-stroke engines (BMW, KTM, Aprilia, Buell, etc)
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on June 23, 2025, 02:53:09 PM
more deep dives into modeling the prototype adapters before getting it made. too much to explsin at this point. but it's coming along.
Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: m in sc on June 29, 2025, 06:24:22 PM
finally got the prototype stuff printed and test fit.


Title: Re: 1985 Harris Performance (UK) Hand-Built 250cc Rotax GP Race Motorcycle - $5,200
Post by: SoCal250 on June 30, 2025, 01:13:02 AM
Wow! Sweet! It really pops in RED! :clap: :cheerleader: