Disclaimer - I originally posted this back in 2011 on the old board. No idea if it still works 100% or not. Just figured it would be good to pull over before the archive disappears. If someone has more current info please post it and I'll edit this post accordingly.
Pete
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Since people keep asking I thought I'd edit this to say, on the Vermont paperwork, just fill in your driver's license number. It does not have to be a VT license. I used my MD license. No issues.
So I'm thinking I should have titled this post "how to legally get a title in 5-7 weeks". If you've followed some of my posts you'll know that I've been having trouble getting a title for the RD350 I bought from Mark at last years Deals Gap meet. I sent in all of my money to ITS about 5 months ago and they just ripped me off. The only email they returned was the one where I told them I'd filed a Better Business Bureau complaint. After some research I found out via this post http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce/22890-international-title-service-service-11.html that what they do is go through the VT DMV to get plates and registration. Turns out anyone can do the same thing. You DO NOT have to be a Vermont resident. Simply fill out VT DMV forms DMV-VD119 Registration App Instructions and DMV-VD119-Vehicle Reg Tax Title App and send them along with a bill of sale and a check to the VT DMV. Both forms can be found here http://dmv.vermont.gov/fees/tax_title You need to fill out the odometer disclosure form in the instruction book. In the Tax/Title Application form you need to fill out blocks 1A, 1B, 2, 3C, 4A, 5B, 6A, and 9. The bill of sale has to be notarized and contain enough info to identify the bike, like VIN, color, make, model, year etc. Fill out the paperwork and mail it all in to the VT DMV and 2 weeks later you should have permanent or temp registration (I'll explain in a minute) and VT plates valid for 1 year in your mailbox. That's step 1.
Step 2. Take the Vermont registration and the title/registration application form for your state down to your state DMV. When they ask why you don't have a title, and they asked me twice, just tell them that VT doesn't issue titles on vehicles older than 10 years. Let em look it up if they want, you'll be fine. After they admit you don't need a title they should process your forms and the VT registration and issue you a title in your state. That's step 2.
Step 3. Put your new title someplace safe, put your new plate on the bike, go riding. And don't forget to buy me a beer at the Gap :)
Backstory - I figured going through ITS would be easier than dealing with the MD MVA for not having a title. Plenty of people have used them in the past. Well they ripped me off and the internet is full of stories of them doing the same thing to other people. STAAB, the other good choice refuses to work on old vehicles anymore due to changes in Maine law. Broadway will still do it but only with totally stock motorcycles - no help to me, nothing I own is stock. I tracked down the VT process via some googling, ok a lot of googling, and decided to try it. I got the bills of sale notarized, filled out the forms with signatures in the appropriate boxes, and mailed the lot and a check off to VT. Exactly 13 days after I mailed them I got two plates in the mail (I registered two bikes). One had a copy of my form and one had a 60 day temp registration. The permanent registration for one showed up in the mail a few days later. I still don't know why the one had a temporary registration and the other had a permanent one. I was a little worried about that. I took the VT registrations and the correct MD forms down to the MVA. After they asked me a few times why I didn't have a title (explained above) and being a little confused they were already in my name they processed my paperwork through their computer system. I walked out with two sets of plates/registration/registration stickers. MD mails all titles from a central facility so I should see them in 3-4 weeks - but I'm already legal and in the systems so this is just a USPS delay. That's it. Lot's of paperwork but pretty simple once you know how to do it. Here's the kicker, it cost me less than ITS charged me for one bike to register two bikes through VT.
Good luck, YMMV.
For anyone in Wisconsin I can confirm it 100% works.
You will need to coach the Dmv employee on the transfer to a WI title. They will need to get their big book out and learn that they can actually make you a title right there on the spot.
I've gotten 4 bikes title without issue this way.
Just got my plate and registration for a 75 RD350. I haven't tried to convert to a NJ title yet, but that's fine with me.
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I want to do this in the worst way just to do it. Might be a while because I just sold my last bike without a title.
Any suggestions if you no longer have the bill of sale for the frame? Long story short, I combined two dilapidated bikes in to one running one in 2011 and never titled/registered it. 9 Years later I get the bug to get the bike running again and actually put it on the road and the BOS I have is for the frame I did not use.
Has anyone had any luck completing an application for new title? I am based in Maryland for context.
Just "create" one.
Quote from: Foxrider64 on February 19, 2020, 11:52:43 AM
Any suggestions if you no longer have the bill of sale for the frame? Long story short, I combined two dilapidated bikes in to one running one in 2011 and never titled/registered it. 9 Years later I get the bug to get the bike running again and actually put it on the road and the BOS I have is for the frame I did not use.
Has anyone had any luck completing an application for new title? I am based in Maryland for context.
You can just print out a generic BOS and fill it out or Vermont has a form on their website. I have done this process 4 or 5 times and as long as you pay the proper fees and include an accurate value you will be ok.
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Just did this last month. Took a little longer due to COVID but worked well. Have a Registration and Plate from Vermont good until Oct 2021. Took VT registration to local notary and my PA and Title paperwork is now in the mail.
Just curious. Would there be any reason you couldn't keep it under the VT registration if you wanted to? Just keep paying the annual fees and leave the VT plate on it? (Assuming they issue a perm plate and not a temp reg as described in Pete's post.)
you can. ive seen people do it for years.
There is not, I have done it for a few years and Vermont will continue to allow you to re-register. The only downside is most states have some form of a clause that you are supposed to register in the state you live in in 30-90 days. They could also bring up state inspection rules but I have not confirmed jurisdiction on implementing out of state inspection rules. (I have asked friends that are cops but they don't even really know) Vermont does require annual inspection.
Short story you can get a way with it for a period of time but I wouldn't push your luck. I typically will wait the first year as I paid that registration then convert it to my state when it is time to reregister.
Also FYI I spoke to the Vermont DMV and they are currently running almost 2 months behind.
Do you have to send proof of insurance too when you mail the paperwork to Vermont DMV?
No it is not needed for the paperwork. I just make sure I have it insured by the time they get it.
Another down side keeping it VT registered is it is very expensive to renew, unless it's changed.
Quote from: RDFL on February 10, 2021, 03:02:49 PM
Another down side keeping it VT registered is it is very expensive to renew, unless it's changed.
Very expensive? :umm: Looks like it's pretty reasonable. Motorcycle reg renewal in VT is only $48/1yr or $96/2yr
Dang. I guess that's one thing NY goes easy on you with, $17.50/yr,. (all bikes)
It was like $300 or something last time I tried.
After looking online appears they have changed I assumed they jacked up the out of state renews so wouldn't end up with tons of people on their books calling attention to it (pissing off other states). Looks like it will be ending this year or next just VT residents only to get titles.
Has anyone (especially in FL) got a title recently? A few weeks ago John (vmx51) and I were discussing it, he had sent for one they sent check back and refused, I thought at time was because he didn't send enough money (was $60 or so iirc) told him I always did $180 (research seemed to show had to be at least that), now I wonder if they already stopped doing it for FL. After telling him about that high renew they sent me on one he didn't seem interested anymore. Would have been nice to avoid the new on road FL fee, all the other ones I did left VT let buyer decide what they would do.
Vermont DMV says you must include 6% sales tax calculated with the value being good trade in condition listed in NADA and a $48 per year fee.
NADA good RD350 = $1200 RD400 = $3770
Also now , VT does not accept your bill of sale. So if you are applying even for just a frame they take a percentage of the KBB book for a "fair" condition RD. KBB values are off the charts. i just had my application returned , along with a copy of the KBB values
Quote from: vmx51 on March 05, 2021, 05:05:32 PM
Also now , VT does not accept your bill of sale. So if you are applying even for just a frame they take a percentage of the KBB book for a "fair" condition RD. KBB values are off the charts. i just had my application returned , along with a copy of the KBB values
You are correct but it is the NADA Value(also high right now). You still need to send your bill of sale for proof of purchase but you need to adjust the taxes paid based on NADA values. While it is a bit high it has been worth it to me as I usually negotiate the cost of getting a title(~$300 total) when buying a non-titled bike. The really expensive part depending on your state is paying the fee to have a title re-issued when changing the Vermont registration over to your state so you get hit twice.
I'm a little confused.
Trying to title my 1981 RD350 thru VT.
Having a hard time wrapping my head around how much to make the check out for. Looks like $48 registration fee, but I'm just now reading above about the 6% tax on the NADA/KBB value?
Closest I can find is NADA for 1979 RD400 Daytona Special $1995 and 1984 RZ350L $1510.
So, should I round it up to $2000 and send them 6% of that $120 + $48 = $168?
Help please.
I always like to include a print out of the NADA and pay the taxes on the number. My advise would be to pick the RZ350 as at least the CCs are the same, print it out and write a note on the print out that you couldn't find the 81 on NADA and the 84 should be closest if not more valuable. That way they at least have a reference.
I always call them so they call tell me the value, that way I know it's correct. If the amount is incorrect they will send it back unprocessed.
Yep. They have state prison inmates working the phones. They were quite knowledgeable when I spoke with them. They tell you exactly how much to make the check out for. Last one I did took about 10 minutes on the phone and I had the VT tag and registration good for one year in 7 business days. I took that registration to the VA DMV and after verifying that VT is a non title state for vehicles 15 years old or older they issued me a VA title on the spot.
LOL, on hold with VT DMV now.
"Your wait time will be approximately one hundred eleven minutes" :bang:
... and they're now claiming 4-6 weeks processing time.
I'll have my plate just about the time the rain comes back.
Good thing there are no cops in Portland anymore, and the few we have got more important shit to worry about.
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Result!
Based my fee off the BOS as instructed by the helpful guy on the phone.
$150 total, and wait time was less than a month!
Righteous :taz: :taz:
So ....
I got my plate on 6.19. Just the plate and a copy of the paperwork I sent of with a red stamp saying "APPROVED" or whatever.
Now it's almost three weeks later and no proper registration or sticker.
Do I keep waiting, or is there something more I need to do?
Just keep waiting, this is not unusual, the registration card and sticker have come in 4-5 weeks later for the ones I did in January.
I have the same problem as pdxjim. Have the tag and a copy of the paperwork I sent them but no official card or sticker. Anyone know what's going on here? I went to my dmv and they said I needed an official registration card. Anyone know how to overcome this? I'll call them up next week and report back, but hopefully one of you guys can give some insight.
I heard from a Vermonter and the same thing is happening to residents that walk into DMV, being told paperwork will be mailed.
Does anybody have any advice on getting a title in FL. I have all the proper paperwork and they are telling me they won't process it.
The registration card from Vermont has a box labeled title that says Issued. They saw that and said, well they say a title has been issued. ..
Anyone have any experience with this?
have them call vermont dmv while you are standing there. the registration IN vermont IS the title. they legally have to honor it.
You can also go to the Vermont DMV site and print out the sheet that explains they do not hold titles for vehicles over 15 years old
Process seems to be working fine at this time, waiting for the sticker and papers but did get get the plate. Everything was returned once because I missed 2 boxes, they were highlighted IIRC, filled em in and sent it back.
Happy they sent me a copy of the paperwork so that I do it correctly if there is a next time.
I spoke with the VT DMV today regarding the process for my 84 RZ after being on hold for 40 minutes. They are quite busy. I was on the interstate for my commute so other than the horrible elevator on hold music it wasn't bad. I confirmed that the bill of sale does NOT have to be notarized and in my case since it is an 84 model the odometer verification statement does NOT have to be included. Also confirmed that VIN verification is NOT required ( due to Covid, but the last two I had done before Covid years ago went through without it as well) They have updated the forms and you can type all the info on to the form on the computer and then print it all out. The only writing you have you have to do is the signatures. In my case the current NADA value for my 84 RZ is $1545 for a motorcycle rated in " fair" condition. The balance due will be $140.70. $48.00 for the registration fee and 6% of the $1545.00 which is $92.70.( I used $500 as a Purchase price).The forms required are the VD-119 210M and the VT Bill of Sale and Odemeter Disclosure Statement or if 2011 or older a generic bill of sale that per VT DMV-119i must include "Bill of sale must contain sufficient information to identify the vehicle, including Make,Year,VIN,Purchase Price, Mileage, Signature of Seller and Date of Sale". I will be putting the packet in the mail by the end of the week. They said 4-6 weeks processing time and they are currently running 7 days behind opening thier mail.
Like mentioned above it really helps to print this document and give it to your dmv or tag office with your paperwork. It helps to legitimize your answer when they ask for the old title.
Here's the link to the paper.
https://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VT-015a-Title_Requirements.pdf?_ga=2.104260352.108414749.1666105098-952568901.1666105097
Very cool. I have always wanted to title my dads 1974 Honda trail 70. It did not come with a title in the states because it was considered an off road vehicle. But it did come with all lights, horn. except turn signals or mirrors which is easy enough. I have his original bill of sale and receipt for 450.00. Maybe I will just send them that. Lol
I got my approved registration application and a tag with no sticker today in line with the previous posts. So we know it is approved. Now we wait for the permanent registration and sticker to arrive. I saw a couple days ago when I checked my bank statement on line that they had cashed the check. :righteous: :righteous:
Now as soon as I get my cash for my latest dumpster full of scrap metal from the farm they picked up today I will be sending off my order to John at Economy Cycle.
Quote from: soonerbillz on October 18, 2022, 11:08:59 AM
Like mentioned above it really helps to print this document and give it to your dmv or tag office with your paperwork. It helps to legitimize your answer when they ask for the old title.
Here's the link to the paper.
https://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VT-015a-Title_Requirements.pdf?_ga=2.104260352.108414749.1666105098-952568901.1666105097
I'll second this. Took my LC to the Oregon DMV today to transfer to and OR title, and they were all quite confused by the lack of a proper title from VT. The document linked above really helped plead my case.
They took my money and "sent my paperwork down to Salem for review".
Fingers crossed I'll se an OR plate and title in the mail in a few weeks.
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I received my permanent registration and sticker from VT on Friday. I will be headed to the VA DMV soon to get it titled and an Antique tag on the way :olaf: :olaf:
Result!
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Righteous :righteous: :righteous:
There was one person ahead of me in line today at the VA DMV. The lady who waited on me said I remember you; you are the guy with the old bikes, then she got the big yellow book out and verified that VT is a non-title state. 10 minutes and $140 later I have a VA tag good for one month until my new Antique tag arrives in the mail and a VA title :metal: :metal: :metal:
Ain't it great to live in a free state?
I got my permanent VA Antique tag and registration in the mail yesterday. All told it was about $280 in fees and well worth the effort.
Just saw as of July 1st 2023 the Vermont title deal is done. They got tired of stolen cars being flipped thru Vermont and the state shut it down.
I heard South Dakota easy.
Quote from: Srhiskx on July 13, 2023, 09:36:04 PMJust saw as of July 1st 2023 the Vermont title deal is done. They got tired of stolen cars being flipped thru Vermont and the state shut it down.
I heard South Dakota easy.
:sad: :sad: :sad: where the go to now?
Has there been any updates for this?
Have an old bike that needs a title, and don't know where to go anymore.
I resurrected my bike from the dead, last registered in 1985. I have no title or proof of ownership. The bike needs a VIN verification by CHP, and of course I paid the state their $200.
The vermont deal is no longer.
I looked into plating a newer two stroke dirt bike. South Dakota and Montana are the states where an out of state owner can plate a bike in their states. For a fee, the third party company will create an LLC on your behalf and take your info to the DMV and get you a plate for a motorcycle. Cost is $400-500.