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Looking great Mark

Stay strong John. I'll be thinking of you.

Hi Pete!

Hey Chuck! Good to see you.

Disclaimer - I originally posted this back in 2011 on the old board. No idea if it still works 100% or not. Just figured it would be good to pull over before the archive disappears. If someone has more current info please post it and I'll edit this post accordingly.

Pete

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Since people keep asking I thought I'd edit this to say, on the Vermont paperwork, just fill in your driver's license number. It does not have to be a VT license. I used my MD license. No issues.

So I'm thinking I should have titled this post "how to legally get a title in 5-7 weeks". If you've followed some of my posts you'll know that I've been having trouble getting a title for the RD350 I bought from Mark at last years Deals Gap meet. I sent in all of my money to ITS about 5 months ago and they just ripped me off. The only email they returned was the one where I told them I'd filed a Better Business Bureau complaint. After some research I found out via this post http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce/22890-international-title-service-service-11.html that what they do is go through the VT DMV to get plates and registration. Turns out anyone can do the same thing. You DO NOT have to be a Vermont resident. Simply fill out VT DMV forms DMV-VD119 Registration App Instructions and DMV-VD119-Vehicle Reg Tax Title App and send them along with a bill of sale and a check to the VT DMV. Both forms can be found here http://dmv.vermont.gov/fees/tax_title You need to fill out the odometer disclosure form in the instruction book. In the Tax/Title Application form you need to fill out blocks 1A, 1B, 2, 3C, 4A, 5B, 6A, and 9. The bill of sale has to be notarized and contain enough info to identify the bike, like VIN, color, make, model, year etc. Fill out the paperwork and mail it all in to the VT DMV and 2 weeks later you should have permanent or temp registration (I'll explain in a minute) and VT plates valid for 1 year in your mailbox. That's step 1.

Step 2. Take the Vermont registration and the title/registration application form for your state down to your state DMV. When they ask why you don't have a title, and they asked me twice, just tell them that VT doesn't issue titles on vehicles older than 10 years. Let em look it up if they want, you'll be fine. After they admit you don't need a title they should process your forms and the VT registration and issue you a title in your state. That's step 2.

Step 3. Put your new title someplace safe, put your new plate on the bike, go riding. And don't forget to buy me a beer at the Gap :)

Backstory - I figured going through ITS would be easier than dealing with the MD MVA for not having a title. Plenty of people have used them in the past. Well they ripped me off and the internet is full of stories of them doing the same thing to other people. STAAB, the other good choice refuses to work on old vehicles anymore due to changes in Maine law. Broadway will still do it but only with totally stock motorcycles - no help to me, nothing I own is stock. I tracked down the VT process via some googling, ok a lot of googling, and decided to try it. I got the bills of sale notarized, filled out the forms with signatures in the appropriate boxes, and mailed the lot and a check off to VT. Exactly 13 days after I mailed them I got two plates in the mail (I registered two bikes). One had a copy of my form and one had a 60 day temp registration. The permanent registration for one showed up in the mail a few days later. I still don't know why the one had a temporary registration and the other had a permanent one. I was a little worried about that. I took the VT registrations and the correct MD forms down to the MVA. After they asked me a few times why I didn't have a title (explained above) and being a little confused they were already in my name they processed my paperwork through their computer system. I walked out with two sets of plates/registration/registration stickers. MD mails all titles from a central facility so I should see them in 3-4 weeks - but I'm already legal and in the systems so this is just a USPS delay. That's it. Lot's of paperwork but pretty simple once you know how to do it. Here's the kicker, it cost me less than ITS charged me for one bike to register two bikes through VT.

Good luck, YMMV.

Thanks Mark! Glad you picked this up.