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Intermittent on One cylinder....

Started by AAAltered, June 10, 2020, 12:09:51 PM

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AAAltered

Since buttoning up the rebuilt bike, I've got a problem with the left cylinder, it's only firing some of the time. 

When the motor came out of the old bike it was running fine.

When I timed it in the new frame, I had plenty of spark, I never noticed it miss.  Now when running it looks like the left cyl only fires some of the time.  You can hear it in the video, and see it in the exhaust.  If I put my hand behind the left can i get covered in unburnt fuel.  Towards the end of the video you can hear it surging as the left fires properly.

Going out there today to try to solve it via the normal process of elimination....

1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

AAAltered

1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

AAAltered

1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

Jspooner

it almost sounds like your carbs aren't synchronized.
"Just quit brain fucking it and get it done"

AAAltered

#4
Great notion Joe, since I am running a brand new throttle cable. 

Need to bone up on syncing them.  Timing is re-checked and it's 1.9BDC (static) so I should be good there.



Thanks
Ed
1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

AAAltered

The carb slides were definitely out of sync.  The right slide lifted much sooner than the left.  That's fixed.

The bike seems to idle on its own.  I tried riding it but it still feels like it's running on "1", super bogged down without lots of revs.   The left cylinder feels way less hot to the touch than the left after idling five minutes and a 100 yard attempted ride. 

Someone recognize this behavior?  It sits idling with occasional pops like the left suddenly sparks.  I'm going to start swapping L/R parts such as coil, wires, etc...

1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

AAAltered

Plug says no fire in the left hole.  Hahaha I had enough power to go down the block and back (twice) on one cylinder.

1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

m in sc


AAAltered

#8
Yea Mark, I think that's the area.  As I mess in there the symptoms change or go away....  too bad I'm out of time for today.  I've had the tank on and off 10 times easy.  Coils are swapped etc.  at some point it runs like a raped ape and some points it dies out.  So the consistent "right side only running" has changed as I worked under there.

On my next garage day I've got to re-re-re-sort the coil wiring......



1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

m in sc

you should really use  a good quality ring terminal on the coil wires .. not the hard plastic home depot ones. . and tape them  so they cant arc to the tank (the - side can) .02


AAAltered

So I've never seen arcing on my old bike BUT this is a different frame so maybe I am indeed arcing. A mm one way or another could make the difference I assume.  That could explain why it fires up great without the tank, then I plumb the tank in for a test and I hit snags.  I really need an aux fuel feed for this bs.

Thanks all for today.
1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

m in sc

yup.

id consider stock coil replacements, they have come a long way.  :twocents:

Striker1423

Quote from: AAAltered on June 10, 2020, 04:56:56 PM
So I've never seen arcing on my old bike BUT this is a different frame so maybe I am indeed arcing. A mm one way or another could make the difference I assume.  That could explain why it fires up great without the tank, then I plumb the tank in for a test and I hit snags. I really need an aux fuel feed for this bs.

Thanks all for today.

Easy squeezy.

Pop bottle, cork, chunk of fuel line, T-fitting, coat hanger and/or string. Hangs from handlebar and takes about 5 minutes to make.
Don't need a lot of fuel, so cork will hold fine.

Can use cap too, but you'd need to use something to make the line press fit as it will leak. Hot glue does not work, don't try it unless you like globs of Napalm going into your carbs. Ask me how I know.


AAAltered

Quote from: m in sc on June 10, 2020, 05:00:29 PM
yup.

id consider stock coil replacements, they have come a long way.  :twocents:

I am sure I have a bunch of Stock coils from my bad Dyna Pickup problem troubleshooting last year....Even new one's somewhere...will hunt them down..
1971 R5
1976 RD200
2022 Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special

smokah

I had that same issue on the same side with the VS ignition on my RD. Ended up being a bad pickup. I ended up going with the powerdynamo.