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WTF Chuck?

Started by pdxjim, September 21, 2019, 08:54:46 PM

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Tuck

Nice clean looking motor!. I'm sure there will be a happy ending when this is all done and over with.

RDFL


SUPERTUNE

WOW!
Starting a post with WTF?
I was writing a response to your email that's in my draft folder with a lot of inquiring on the best way to work
though your concerns. I could have and would have completely build a new topend free of charge.
Not so much of that option now...

I'm going to start with a BIG PUBLIC apology over what this has become.

When I saw what you posted over at the LC forum...without waiting for my reply was mindblowing.
I shut down after that for a bit...
You showed me you don't even have a clue about me, now this?

Flaming on a forum before you received a email about this was inconceivable.

I'm going to respond right here now.
The 1st quote you speak of 3 weeks was for what work? Do you remember? I do. Have the quote right here...
Mill the head and do update porting. Yes, I said 3 weeks. 2 operations.
Then you start researching about o-ringing the cylinders instead of keeping the factory expensive oem headgasket.
(*added work)

We then both agreed to go that route. Then the build invoice changed with a much more work as when you take out a .052 headgasket then measure squish and find the stock squish casting has very bad consistency and has to have the head go through a complete re-machining of all surfaces, also because when you do this machine work to get the squish perfect the compression ratio is like in the methanol spec at just over 14:1!
(*added work)

To get to the corrected compression ratio, squish ratio, squish clearance and MSV in an area that will run with this setup on pump fuels and you wanting to run Garrets Moto Carera pipes there in a lot of mock up work, CC'ing work and calculations to be done.
(*added work)

During that process after I had previously lapped the cylinders and were flat, but once mounted in the mill to cut for o-rings the cylinders showed .004 and .005 out of square and both different heights as measured with a thousandths dial indicator. No way to control the proper depth of the o-ring grove which is very crucial to proper sealing for a Viton o-ring.
At this point the decks of he cylinders has to be milled to be corrected to move forward to cutting the o-ring grooves.
(*added work)

With the build platform changing as we went, I ran into over scheduling as races and other engines are always on my plate to get done.
(daughter was in critical hospital stay during this span of time)
Another BIG apology!

Yes, we also discussed to go and open up the intake track for the YZ85 reeds through this time span and I totally forgot to put that work on the job invoice! Again, I will make more detailed changes to my work process. Keep in mind it also was not on you invoice and you not were billed for this like you implied on the LC forum...
I did forget to take off the reed spacers off the invoice after you sent an email stating not to send any. Which I did do right...
During the finished job process I had just finished washing the cylinders, rubbing cylinder walls out with Marvel Mystery oil like I do for reassembly
of the top end to be bagged up and were laying on a terri cloth towel on my stainless top engine assembly bench. I was using the tape gun on the cardboard box and set the gun down and it stuck to the towel and I grabbed it again and tape gun pulled on the towel and cylinder fell, hit the floor and broke a small portion of the sleeve off on the exhaust skirt.  That's on me. It is a very small portion of sleeve and will not be of any hindrance of performance and longevity on a piston skirt. I wouldn't have even suggested it if there was even a slight chance of a failure of any kind.

I have been building engines and 2 stroke my entire life, I have 5 piston part #'s with Wiseco that are my own design. I started with their basic layout print to start and designed every aspect of the complete piston. I have designed and built 185-215 HP twin cylinder engines, about 1800 of them...
I have bored and honed 15,000 cylinders between my 3 boring and honing machines, I bought my Rottler boring bar brand new in 1979.
Many Championships have been won with my direct involvement in engine building and even with my own designs.
I can tell that I'm not your average Joe.

I'm not going any further with this and NOT turning it into another he said, he said like we had in a vintage smoke post on the old forum.
I'm refunding all of the $$ billed for work on the cylinders and only invoicing for the head total machine work and mockup, cc'ing and design.
This grants your your wish to go to San Diego like you stated on the LC forum.
I'm out.

Chuck
Chuck 'SUPERTUNE' Quenzler III
Team Scream Racing LLC
1920 Sherwood St. STE A
Clearwater, FL. 33765
(727)458-8619
cqsupertune@tampabay.rr.com
RD machine work, boring, porting, cranks and engine building.


Chuck 'SUPERTUNE' Quenzler III
Team Scream Racing LLC
1920 Sherwood St. STE A
Clearwater, FL. 33765
cqsupertune@tampabay.rr.com

Hawaii-Mike

Chuck, we don't know each other but I have been concerned about your health.  Glad to hear that you are okay.  Relating to this issue, I am not taking sides.

pdxjim

#34
All of this could have been avoided with better communication. 

I know you are a busy man, but waiting a week or longer (over a month actually) between emails and calls just doesn't cut it.  When everyone has a cellphone in their pocket, there just is no excuse for poor communication.

You had time to post on this forum but no time to respond to my calls and emails?

Again, I have nothing but respect for your achievements and dedication to 2T development and innovation.  Also, thank you for all you do to help on this forum free of charge.  If I had any doubts about your knowledge or credentials I never would have sent you my parts in the first place.  I meant what I said about "keeping it local", and you are our guy, Chuck.

Thanks for the refund, I very much appreciate finally hearing your side of things.  In the three month span we spoke on the phone for maybe two minutes total, and only a few brief emails.  In my world, quick communication and management of expectations is everything.  I don't feel there was enough of either in this instance.

Would be nice to meet you in person one day and put this all in the past 👍
Wasting time on 2T forums since the dawn of the internet. '89 TDR250, '13 300xcw, '19 690smcr, '56 Porsche 356A

m in sc

Looks like all parties had their say.

I'll put my .02 in here:
On that note, having have dealt or communicated with both Jim and Chuck for almost 20 years either on forums or in person, I can vouch for both of their characters and good will, and would NEVER hesitate to trust either one of them implicitly. .

This thread will be locked because there isn't anything more to say about it.

Much respect to all who commented, and thank you all for keeping it all civil as possible.  :toot: