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Started by Greaser Greg, December 20, 2019, 10:20:44 AM

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SUPERTUNE

Mark you have it 90% right.
I'll tell where the grease needs to go...
Look at your last picture, you have a single arrow pointing at the pin on the pump shaft. It fits into the front 4 bolt top. The pin rides on the pump bumps...that is what needs the grease.
Look at it again the evidence shows there's grease residue there.

Look at your 2nd to last pic... you have 2 parts shown, the left one is the 4 bolt top and seal, the right one is the rest of the pump assembly with arrows pointing where the seal is.
Look at the left part arrow pointing at the seal. Now look under that seal is where the pin rides in the front housing in a groove slot outside of the seal, this is where the grease needs to go and you can even see it in your pictures.
In the right pic, you point where the seal lip rides on the shaft, below the pin.

If this area had oil... 1) it would be grease free and clean, 2) if it had oil there it would piss oil out the pump shaft out the 4 bolt cover.
To prove my point...go and put pump back together as your putting it together watch the pin go under that seal. That area is a dry area because pin goes out side of the seal.
Trust me I've built over 30 pumps and I always have to wash out the grease there, run it in my heated sonic cleaner (by the way I run your mix of 75% carb dip and 25% WD40, works killer!) and reapply new grease when assembling.

Respectfully your RD 2 stroke friend of many, many years,
Chuck
RD machine work, boring, porting, cranks and engine building.


Chuck 'SUPERTUNE' Quenzler III
Team Scream Racing LLC
1920 Sherwood St. STE A
Clearwater, FL. 33765
cqsupertune@tampabay.rr.com

m in sc

#16
on the ramp pin side yes i 100% agree. In the clutching /gear mechanism its bathed. we agree i think.  :patriot:

however, my understanding of this statement by greg
Quote from: m in sc on December 20, 2019, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: Greaser Greg on December 20, 2019, 11:16:36 AM

Word on the streets is to grease the bleed wheel pins and springs.
why? they are bathed in oil when its running.  :umm:

was referring to the clutch springs and pins inside the big wheel. (at least thats how i read it).


the part that takes grease outside this oil well,  Im pretty sure that's what you were  referring to here:

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To tell you where this area is.... when you take out the 4) 4mm screws to take off the front nose where the pump cable wheel runs (not the plastic prime wheel) there is a seal in there, when you pull out the seal, there is a slot where the shaft body pin goes, this need to be packed with a little grease so the drive pin doesn't rattle in the slot and make a clicking sound.
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and yes i agree to grease the pump ramp and pin as its after the big seal and inner seal essentially unsealed but inder the 4 screw cover and the cable pulley. :patriot:


I just wanted to address the pin and spring comment greg made from his 'word on the street' info earlier, for clarity, as it may not be clear to somebody that hasn't had a pump apart before.



SUPERTUNE

Thanks...I think we just helped millions for years to come!  :righteous:
C
RD machine work, boring, porting, cranks and engine building.


Chuck 'SUPERTUNE' Quenzler III
Team Scream Racing LLC
1920 Sherwood St. STE A
Clearwater, FL. 33765
cqsupertune@tampabay.rr.com

Greaser Greg

Quote from: SUPERTUNE on December 21, 2019, 09:24:23 PM
Thanks...I think we just helped millions for years to come!  :righteous:
C
Maybe even brazillions! :cheerleader: :cheerleader:
So, am I wasting my time trying to clean a pump without the fancy machine and potion combo, or will the potion with some soft pokers do the trick?
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