I did it!
I finally have a badass modern bike.
(https://i.ibb.co/gFK9D8P/79-F69000-99-A0-4463-9218-B2-E474208-D51.jpg)
Let us all say a prayer for Jim's license
Quote from: 85RZwade on April 22, 2023, 10:39:52 AM
Let us all say a prayer for Jim's license
It's true.
Got paid and waved goodbye to the LC as it drove away in a trailer bound for Tampa, FL.
Less than 24hrs later I was at Gray Area KTM 2hrs south of Portland in Eugene OR loading up the SMCR.
It's 2019 with less than 900mi on the ODO. It's got an Arrow slip on, fancy mirrors and signals, weighs less and makes more power than the LC, and left me a few hundred bucks in my account for a Power Commander.
I've never had such a nice motorcycle, ever.
Wow, that's nice! :bacon: Congrats Jim
Well played Jim!
very nice! ive had a few new bikes, nothing quite like it. Good call on that one as well. :toot:
Thx all.
Been buying a few bits: Power Commander 5, Rottweiler fueling dongle/O2 sensor delete, DNA intake, etc. Unlike an old 2T, with a modern EFI 4T you spend a bunch of money and maybe see a 10% increase in power.
Now I gotta find an appropriate PC5 map, or book time at the dyno tune guy down the street.
It's a new world.
is the 5 still available? better make sure, they discontinued it for most bikes because DJ got in trouble with the federal government. if you get a 6, prepare for some headaches. took me 4 mos to get the one for my cb1100 right.
and, fwiw, i ordered a 5 and got a 6. it was a whole fucking debacle. Good luck.
Quote from: m in sc on April 24, 2023, 12:59:18 PM
is the 5 still available? better make sure, they discontinued it for most bikes because DJ got in trouble with the federal government. if you get a 6, prepare for some headaches. took me 4 mos to get the one for my cb1100 right.
and, fwiw, i ordered a 5 and got a 6. it was a whole fucking debacle. Good luck.
I found a PC5 for $300 shipped compared to $480 for the PC6.
As far as I can tell, the only diff 'tween the 5 and 6 is the range of adjustment. Pro Dynojet tuners can override it if needed.
I found an off the shelf tune on dynojet.com that looks like it may be close (different brand of slipon, and complete airbox delete), so I'll prob try that one to start then take it to the guy down the street to fine tune on his dyno. Or maybe he has one saved that fits my setup? Gonna check in with him later this week.
I can 100% tell you that that is absolute fucking bullshit despite the claims. the firmware is different. I have 6 or 7 different versions DJ sent me until they got it right.
if you can get your hands on the 5, get it.
otherwise, be prepared for this kind of garbage.
(https://www.2strokeworld.net/wp-content/uploads/14-cb100/pc6-and-related/fail-2-for-today.jpg)
(https://www.2strokeworld.net/wp-content/uploads/14-cb100/pc6-and-related/fail-1-for-today.jpg)
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Quote from: pdxjim on April 24, 2023, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: m in sc on April 24, 2023, 12:59:18 PM
is the 5 still available? better make sure, they discontinued it for most bikes because DJ got in trouble with the federal government. if you get a 6, prepare for some headaches. took me 4 mos to get the one for my cb1100 right.
and, fwiw, i ordered a 5 and got a 6. it was a whole fucking debacle. Good luck.
I found a PC5 for $300 shipped compared to $480 for the PC6.
As far as I can tell, the only diff 'tween the 5 and 6 is the range of adjustment. Pro Dynojet tuners can override it if needed.
I found an off the shelf tune on dynojet.com that looks like it may be close (different brand of slipon, and complete airbox delete), so I'll prob try that one to start then take it to the guy down the street to fine tune on his dyno. Or maybe he has one saved that fits my setup? Gonna check in with him later this week.
Did you look into Rottweiler Performance?...those guys seem to be the go to for KTM streetbikes.
Quote from: RDryan on April 25, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Did you look into Rottweiler Performance?...those guys seem to be the go to for KTM streetbikes.
Yup. They sell the PC6 with their tune for your setup for $480
I went by my local dyno guy's shop today. He quoted me around $400 to do a custom map on his dyno. He said he does lots of "super single" roadrace 690s and 690/701 enduros.
More than I wanted to spend, but at least I know it'll be perfect.
Quote from: pdxjim on April 25, 2023, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: RDryan on April 25, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Did you look into Rottweiler Performance?...those guys seem to be the go to for KTM streetbikes.
Yup. They sell the PC6 with their tune for your setup for $480
I went by my local dyno guy's shop today. He quoted me around $400 to do a custom map on his dyno. He said he does lots of "super single" roadrace 690s and 690/701 enduros.
More than I wanted to spend, but at least I know it'll be perfect.
That sounds like a deal, I mean it's not cheap but a savings of 80$ and plus you get genuine tuning time on the dyno with a trained experienced tech has to be the better deal. You can look at this way and I imagine it's been going "this way" for the whole deal is that with these newer bikes all the modern tech they have being fuel injected with the latest in computer integrated software it's a one and done deal. No messing with carbs. :whistle:
id recommend an auto tune module, but that's just me. one tune does not fit all situations IMHO. I ran onto that w the ducati, had a static map aftermarket ecm and would get weird especially on colder days.
Ok! Got all the afetrmarket stuff bolted on and gave it over to the dyno guy for a few days. Here are the results:
(https://i.ibb.co/CJ2h13C/690-Cycletune-4-23.jpg)
... and stock as reporded by Cycle World back in 2019:
(https://i.ibb.co/JsbTVq4/690-stock.jpg)
Making a bit dissapointing 7hp more peak power, but 10+ more midrange hp and a ton more torque in the midrange where I need it. This is with an open filter in the stock airbox, and most of the big peak hp bikes are running a velocity stack type filter on the throttle body and making the same or less midrange numbers.
Still, despite the numbers, power delivery feels a bit soft compared to stock with the "supermoto map" engaged.
I'm gonna put a few more miles on it before I dig into the PC5 and see if my dyno guy added any more advance besides the 2-4* the PC5 comes loaded with. I know the mechanic that tunes my buddies 390 and 690 race bikes adds a lot of advance to squeeze power out of the motors. I'll probably give him a call and pick his brain a bit too.
Anyway, this thing rips, but I hate thinking there's a bit more in there I'm missing out on. :devil:
... could be I'm just getting used to it.
id seriously consider a wideband auto tune as well. save the static map and get the at. any static map is a compromise IMHO. (no one rides on a dyno). Use the tuned map as a base map. make the real world ride-abilty that much sweeter.
just my .02
Ok!
Put about 400mi on the SMCR this past weekend.
(https://i.ibb.co/KXT74FN/IMG-4668.jpg)
We did a "Steak & Shake" ride up to Klickitat WA. We split lanes, rode great twisty roads, ate massive steaks, played lots of cribbage, hung out in the steakhouse/bar and got drunk with the locals, slept on the concrete, ate a big breakfast, swam in the reservoir, more twisty roads, more cribbage and beer, and made it home by 5pm the next day.
(not me)
(https://i.ibb.co/GvRJPWJ/IMG-4674.jpg)
As I expected, the 690 is a hoot in the twisties, but not so great on the freeway unless traffic is stopped and you're splitting lanes.
As mentioned above, I was a bit dissapointed with the custom dynotune I PAID 400 BUCKS FOR, so I've been running one of the Rottweiler maps in the PC5, and have booked more time with a different dyno guy to compare the five maps I have collected, and figure out which one runs best/makes the most powa with my setup.
Yes, I may invest in an autotune module in the future, but for now will go static.
for the money you'll spend on the dyno, get the auto tune unit. I've been down this road a few times. just my experience.
I rode the CB1100 today, was getting over 56mpg on the interstate at 70 mph. and it also just flat out rips for what it is, however, the overall rideability is super smooth, which si wehre the real value is. use the tuned map as a base map and adjust the fueling from there w the a/t. My cb has a flashed ecm and the pc and at really dial it in. had the same experiences on the grom, and (somewhat) on the ducati. no canned map can determine how or where you ride the bike. .02
Quote from: m in sc on June 27, 2023, 10:38:40 AMfor the money you'll spend on the dyno, get the auto tune unit. I've been down this road a few times. just my experience.
Thankfully, this dyno guy is a buddy of mine and will be cheap.
Mostly looking to determine which map to use as a base. The four different "off the shelf" maps (2 from Dynojet, 2 from Rottweiler) all have one thing in common that my custom map lacks, and that's a lot of ignition advance. Where these maps are bumping up 2-4* of advance, my custom map is dropping back to a degree of retard. I suspect this is why, despite making ok power on paper, it just feels limp.
We will see tomorrow afternoon how they compare.
Put about a thousand miles on the 690 this past long weekend on an annual club ride out to eastern Oregon.
Took a bit of seat time to figure out how to get the most out of it, but once i did, WHAT A RIPPA!
Although the hp/tq curves are very linear, it really responds to being ridden like a 2T.
Keep it between 5k and the, all to early 8k rev limiter and it'll keep a smile on your face. It'll happily cruise at 90mph and I saw 120 a few times, no problem.
(https://i.ibb.co/7zsxntF/IMG-4895.jpg)
that's sweet. there a 950 local available, friend of mine has it. i've ridden it, its crazy but too tall for me. I do have some envoy on your bike though, those are great, glad you got it sorted the way you wanted. :thumbs: