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Flat spot before the powerband.

Started by quocle603, September 04, 2020, 10:47:22 PM

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quocle603

Hi,

I just finished my build just last month and I was looking at some feedback on some stuff. My bike currently has the following:

-1975 RD350 stock7
-HPI Ignition
-Banshee/RZ intake with crossover tube
-OKO 28mm Carbs
-Y Boot with K&N filter (3D printed adapters)
-Spec II chambers

I am currently loving these OKO 28mm carbs on my build. The throttle response is great and it has been a pretty to tune. I am currently hitting a flat spot (seems rich) around 5k-6k, but when it gets to 7k, the pipe starts to hit. I was wondering if anyone else experienced flat spot and has any suggestions? I know that the stock vm28 had the same issue but the solution was to do the dave modification with the R5 carb parts. Any input on the matter would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Do not underestimate the power of a two-stroke.

1975 Yamaha RD350 (modified), 1973 Yamaha RD350 (stock), 1971 Suzuki T500, 1981 Yamaha XS650 HS2, 1982 Honda MB5, 1980 Puch Maxi, 1979 Puch Magnum, 1993 Tomos Bullet, 2003 Malaguti Firefox F15 LC

m in sc


quocle603

Do not underestimate the power of a two-stroke.

1975 Yamaha RD350 (modified), 1973 Yamaha RD350 (stock), 1971 Suzuki T500, 1981 Yamaha XS650 HS2, 1982 Honda MB5, 1980 Puch Maxi, 1979 Puch Magnum, 1993 Tomos Bullet, 2003 Malaguti Firefox F15 LC

quocle603

Do not underestimate the power of a two-stroke.

1975 Yamaha RD350 (modified), 1973 Yamaha RD350 (stock), 1971 Suzuki T500, 1981 Yamaha XS650 HS2, 1982 Honda MB5, 1980 Puch Maxi, 1979 Puch Magnum, 1993 Tomos Bullet, 2003 Malaguti Firefox F15 LC

oxford

What's your clip position and have you tried moving it?

Czakky

Does it still go flat when under full power? Like full throttle from 3k rpm into the power band?

quocle603

Thanks everyone for your input.

I have tried moving the clip position, currently 2nd position on the needle. It doesn't seem like its doing much.

Bill: Pretty much. Once it enters 6k, it wants to start going at 1/2-3/4 throttle.
Do not underestimate the power of a two-stroke.

1975 Yamaha RD350 (modified), 1973 Yamaha RD350 (stock), 1971 Suzuki T500, 1981 Yamaha XS650 HS2, 1982 Honda MB5, 1980 Puch Maxi, 1979 Puch Magnum, 1993 Tomos Bullet, 2003 Malaguti Firefox F15 LC

Striker1423

So it wont go  before 1/2 throttle? You moved the clip up one position from center ( moving needle down) and it didn't help? Might try moving the clip down one position from center, enriching the mixture.

quocle603

It will go before 1/2. Hell, it will go 1/2~3/4 throttle but it's a sluggish process cause of the flat spot. I am just trying to figure out if I needed to go from a JJH to JJJ needle or or the air filter adapter for the y boot I made is restricting the airflow too much.


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Do not underestimate the power of a two-stroke.

1975 Yamaha RD350 (modified), 1973 Yamaha RD350 (stock), 1971 Suzuki T500, 1981 Yamaha XS650 HS2, 1982 Honda MB5, 1980 Puch Maxi, 1979 Puch Magnum, 1993 Tomos Bullet, 2003 Malaguti Firefox F15 LC

m in sc

ditch the adapters they fuck up airflow.  you're probably getting a reversion effect. 

Brad-Man

Might as suggest getting some Wintergreen oil,  acetone or xylene and soaking the ends of the Y boot overnight?

It will expand the rubber to the point where they will fit the carb openings and you can let it dry/shrink in place...
Toys don't make the man - Man makes the toys.
1974 RD350
1975 RD350/400 project
1985 BMW K100RS

quocle603

I have some UNI I can test if it helps with the issue or not then purchase some long 5 inch, if it goes away.

AS for the wintergreen oil + alcohol. That solution works great but they swell up and shrink back down.
Do not underestimate the power of a two-stroke.

1975 Yamaha RD350 (modified), 1973 Yamaha RD350 (stock), 1971 Suzuki T500, 1981 Yamaha XS650 HS2, 1982 Honda MB5, 1980 Puch Maxi, 1979 Puch Magnum, 1993 Tomos Bullet, 2003 Malaguti Firefox F15 LC

m in sc

try the unis. needle may need to be moved

pidjones

The fair-skinned should use great caution with the methyl salicylate. It can cause serious burns, depending on your skin'd sensetivity to it. It also melts plastic - not like acetone, to make a nice glue, but just into a glob that is useless. In the '60s we used it to clean and soften slot car tires, but had to pick the cars up immediately when stopped and set them upside-down or the residual wintergreen oil would melt the plastic track where the tires touched. One fair-haired friend mistakenly sat on a rag soaked with it, and ended up spending the evening with his rear in a tub of ice water.
"Love 'em all.... Let GOD sort 'em out!"

quocle603

Quote from: pidjones on September 11, 2020, 07:03:24 AM
The fair-skinned should use great caution with the methyl salicylate. It can cause serious burns, depending on your skin'd sensetivity to it. It also melts plastic - not like acetone, to make a nice glue, but just into a glob that is useless. In the '60s we used it to clean and soften slot car tires, but had to pick the cars up immediately when stopped and set them upside-down or the residual wintergreen oil would melt the plastic track where the tires touched. One fair-haired friend mistakenly sat on a rag soaked with it, and ended up spending the evening with his rear in a tub of ice water.

Oh I know. But that smell is great  :haw: :haw:
Do not underestimate the power of a two-stroke.

1975 Yamaha RD350 (modified), 1973 Yamaha RD350 (stock), 1971 Suzuki T500, 1981 Yamaha XS650 HS2, 1982 Honda MB5, 1980 Puch Maxi, 1979 Puch Magnum, 1993 Tomos Bullet, 2003 Malaguti Firefox F15 LC